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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:30 pm 
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Hello. I just purchased a hi point .45 carbine last Thursday. Haven't fired it yet, but I am looking forward to sending some lead downrange as soon as possible. I just found this forum and it looks like a good place for some good advice. I do have a couple of questions - I cannot engage the bolt open feature on an empty magazine. Am I doing something wrong here? I can lock the bolt back by pushing in on the charging handle, but it doesn't lock back on an empty mag. Maybe it just needs some breaking in? I also would like to hear some of your opinions on wheter or not any of the accessories are worth the trouble. I've already ordered the front grip and the mag holder w/2 mags. Well I guess that's about all for now folks. Looking forward to hearing from you.

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Congratulations -- I consider the 4595 to be the best product HP makes.
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Hello. I just purchased a hi point .45 carbine last Thursday.

You'll enjoy it; mine has digested every type of ammo I've put in it. It seems to love the smelly, dirty, Tula as much as the nicer expensive brass case stuff.
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Haven't fired it yet, but I am looking forward to sending some lead downrange as soon as possible.

It does, huh? Cool -- we fooled another one!
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I just found this forum and it looks like a good place for some good advice.

I dug mine out of the safe to double check with both 45R- carbine- mags and the 45 mag for the JHP. I consider the magazines interchangeable and the 4595 locked open with both magazines. I don't know why you're having a problem but it might be prudent to call the factory. Check this thread for contact info:
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I do have a couple of questions - I cannot engage the bolt open feature on an empty magazine. Am I doing something wrong here? I can lock the bolt back by pushing in on the charging handle, but it doesn't lock back on an empty mag. Maybe it just needs some breaking in?

Accessories are a matter of taste -- buy whatever you like. The only accessory on mine is the buttstock mag holder.
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I also would like to hear some of your opinions on wheter or not any of the accessories are worth the trouble. I've already ordered the front grip and the mag holder w/2 mags. Well I guess that's about all for now folks. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Stateline

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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
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stateline wrote:
Hello. I just purchased a hi point .45 carbine last Thursday. Haven't fired it yet, but I am looking forward to sending some lead downrange as soon as possible. I just found this forum and it looks like a good place for some good advice. I do have a couple of questions - I cannot engage the bolt open feature on an empty magazine. Am I doing something wrong here? I can lock the bolt back by pushing in on the charging handle, but it doesn't lock back on an empty mag. Maybe it just needs some breaking in? I also would like to hear some of your opinions on wheter or not any of the accessories are worth the trouble. I've already ordered the front grip and the mag holder w/2 mags. Well I guess that's about all for now folks. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Stateline


:welcome: from Iowaaaah!

I don't have a carbine but I still may be able to offer some advice and since it's free take it for what it's worth till someone with better knowledge happens along. This how I fixed my mag. I shoot 9mm round ball exclusively so YMMV.

The LRHO is actuated, as you know, by the follower in the mag. Open the bolt and look in to see if the follower is coming up high enough to hit lever inside. Go outside if you can without attracting the ATF :scared: and load a mag and insert it. Carefully pull the bolt back and look to see how the bullets orient themselves according to the chamber. Too high? Too low? Wrong nose angle? The vast majority of problems in all Hi-point firearms is cause by poor quality magazines from the factory. They are the best of the bunch however bad they are. Stay away from most aftermarket mags and only get them direct from the factory, besides they are the cheapest from them. OK, back to the problem. What I'm explaining should kill more than one bird with one stone. I am assuming the carbines feed essentially the same as the pistols here. With that in mind, the bullets need to sit in the mag high enough to afford them a fairly good entrance angle. I fixed the mags in my c9 (very similar to 995) with a small amount of trial and error. In some posts here (that might be stickies) you'll find specs on measurements for the distance apart the feed lips are and that is a good place to start I guess. I did. But it's not really the end-all of the mags problems and it's not all that necessary. Just get the bullets to sit as high in the mag as possible while still keeping the mag lips enough below case center-line to hold them firmly and keep the bullets from contacting the firing pin when inserting a mag. Make the case center-line parallel with the top of the mag at least. I also bent my mag lips so the bullet doesn't hit the LRHO lever as bad which was causing a nose down FTF. >> (Click on first picture for video)
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The two front mag lips are there to act as a guide, but they really don't serve much of a purpose that I saw, just keep them close without touching the bullet nose.>>
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This picture shows how close to center-line.>>
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These show how after I got them to sit parallel with the gun they seemed to worked flawlessly. They also show that you don't want the bullet to ride so high that it touches the firing pin if you have the tendency to slap in your mags. >>
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IGK, maybe this will give yoiu some insight as to where to look for the problem at least. At any rate it shows how I solved my FTF problems. Good luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:56 pm 
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Thanks for your trouble. The rifle seems to feed and eject perfectly, but the bolt just wont hold open on the empty mag. I am thinking the problem may be with the mag release, since the cartridge pusher in the mag (orange part) does not come all the way up on empty. I think a magazine spring may be catching on the mag release machinery.


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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
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stateline wrote:
Thanks for your trouble. The rifle seems to feed and eject perfectly, but the bolt just wont hold open on the empty mag. I am thinking the problem may be with the mag release, since the cartridge pusher in the mag (orange part) does not come all the way up on empty. I think a magazine spring may be catching on the mag release machinery.


Good, at least you know where the problem lies. Take the mag apart and clean or adjust. That's what the little slots in the bottom are used for. Prying the sides of the floor plate cover out far enough to lift the bottom off and watch the spring eject into never-never land. ;) :funny:
Ask me how I know. :?

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It's gettin close boys. The time is near.

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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:05 pm 
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I can very well imagine how you know, and really appreciate the heads up. By the way, I was born and raised in Monticello, halfway between Cedar Rapids and Dubuque. Thanks again and have a super day! I sent an email to hipoint and will try and do some work on the mag.
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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:16 pm 
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The one saving grace that Hi-point has is simplicity. Oh and accuracy. If the momma finds you need to send it in you'll prolly end up with one or two new mags from her. Just the way she is.

But fixing it yourself should be a breeze if you use common sense about how the bullet and mag interact with the gun itself. Just don't work on it with live rounds. The firing pin is also the ejector which could cause some financial issues or worse. Buy some very good quality snap caps and use those. Or make some dummy rounds.

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May we always realize the cost of our freedom. We can never repay them, but the very least we can do is uphold the ideals that they died protecting and honor them in the choices we make each day.

”If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison
It's gettin close boys. The time is near.

The greatest RE-productive force is human selfishness (Say NO! to population growth!).

--No good deed goes unpunished--

When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets. --unknown

Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
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Randy wrote:
stateline wrote:
Hello. I just purchased a hi point .45 carbine last Thursday. Haven't fired it yet, but I am looking forward to sending some lead downrange as soon as possible. I just found this forum and it looks like a good place for some good advice. I do have a couple of questions - I cannot engage the bolt open feature on an empty magazine. Am I doing something wrong here? I can lock the bolt back by pushing in on the charging handle, but it doesn't lock back on an empty mag. Maybe it just needs some breaking in? I also would like to hear some of your opinions on wheter or not any of the accessories are worth the trouble. I've already ordered the front grip and the mag holder w/2 mags. Well I guess that's about all for now folks. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Stateline


:welcome: from Iowaaaah!

I don't have a carbine but I still may be able to offer some advice and since it's free take it for what it's worth till someone with better knowledge happens along. This how I fixed my mag. I shoot 9mm round ball exclusively so YMMV.

The LRHO is actuated, as you know, by the follower in the mag. Open the bolt and look in to see if the follower is coming up high enough to hit lever inside. Go outside if you can without attracting the ATF :scared: and load a mag and insert it. Carefully pull the bolt back and look to see how the bullets orient themselves according to the chamber. Too high? Too low? Wrong nose angle? The vast majority of problems in all Hi-point firearms is cause by poor quality magazines from the factory. They are the best of the bunch however bad they are. Stay away from most aftermarket mags and only get them direct from the factory, besides they are the cheapest from them. OK, back to the problem. What I'm explaining should kill more than one bird with one stone. I am assuming the carbines feed essentially the same as the pistols here. With that in mind, the bullets need to sit in the mag high enough to afford them a fairly good entrance angle. I fixed the mags in my c9 (very similar to 995) with a small amount of trial and error. In some posts here (that might be stickies) you'll find specs on measurements for the distance apart the feed lips are and that is a good place to start I guess. I did. But it's not really the end-all of the mags problems and it's not all that necessary. Just get the bullets to sit as high in the mag as possible while still keeping the mag lips enough below case center-line to hold them firmly and keep the bullets from contacting the firing pin when inserting a mag. Make the case center-line parallel with the top of the mag at least. I also bent my mag lips so the bullet doesn't hit the LRHO lever as bad which was causing a nose down FTF. >> (Click on first picture for video)
Image
Image

The two front mag lips are there to act as a guide, but they really don't serve much of a purpose that I saw, just keep them close without touching the bullet nose.>>
Image

This picture shows how close to center-line.>>
Image

These show how after I got them to sit parallel with the gun they seemed to worked flawlessly. They also show that you don't want the bullet to ride so high that it touches the firing pin if you have the tendency to slap in your mags. >>
Image
Image
Image

IGK, maybe this will give yoiu some insight as to where to look for the problem at least. At any rate it shows how I solved my FTF problems. Good luck.


Very nice compilation Randy!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
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Very nice compilation Randy!!!


Thanks Ex.

I slaved away at it for a good five minutes and was truly exhausted when I was done.. :whistle: :mrgreen: :roll: :rofl: :lol: :laugh:

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May we always realize the cost of our freedom. We can never repay them, but the very least we can do is uphold the ideals that they died protecting and honor them in the choices we make each day.

”If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison
It's gettin close boys. The time is near.

The greatest RE-productive force is human selfishness (Say NO! to population growth!).

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When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets. --unknown

Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

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 Post subject: Re: Howdy from the Texas Hill Country
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stateline wrote:
Thanks for your trouble. The rifle seems to feed and eject perfectly, but the bolt just wont hold open on the empty mag. I am thinking the problem may be with the mag release, since the cartridge pusher in the mag (orange part) does not come all the way up on empty. I think a magazine spring may be catching on the mag release machinery.



Take it out of the stock and look to see if the spring came off between the LRHO lever and the nub on the bottom of the frame. Also look to see if the Hook on the bottom of the lever is rubbing against the frame. You will have to remove the slide to check if the LRHO lever lifts freely or not, but you should be able to tell if it's tight because it leaves a small tell tale scrape on the frame.

If the spring came off it will most likely have to be sent in for repair. If the LRHO lever is "tight", I can help you through that one.

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The cavalry comes!!! Just in the nick of time! :thumb:

Makemine knows more about these fine firearms than about anyone.

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“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.” — General George S. Patton

May we always realize the cost of our freedom. We can never repay them, but the very least we can do is uphold the ideals that they died protecting and honor them in the choices we make each day.

”If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison
It's gettin close boys. The time is near.

The greatest RE-productive force is human selfishness (Say NO! to population growth!).

--No good deed goes unpunished--

When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets. --unknown

Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!” ― Hunter S. Thompson


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If you can, when you get the gun out of the stock, post up a pic of the left side, where the LRHO lever is. It doesn't matter to me if the slide is off or on at that point, I can see what I need to see.

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I think I may have solved the problem with the help of Sam at Hi-point. the LRHO lever took a bunch of Hoppe's oil and a lot of working the bolt. I finally got it to lock back, but the LRHO lever still does not fully engage, but I think it is getting there. A box of cartridges will do wonders for this gun (I hope) Thanks for your help.


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It will take a bit to work itself in, but I'm glad it works for you. If it still has problems, just shout out.

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