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 Post subject: Steel case or the bullet?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:38 pm 
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Went to Knob Creek Range today and shot 200 rounds through my C9.
Federal brass 115gr. FMJ fired without a hitch...now for the but...
I had an issue with the 10 round mag when shooting some hollow point ammo. It was Fiocchi 115gr. w/Hornady bullets and steel case. I had two fail to feeds in that magazine and noticed the feeds were a little "sticky" (is that a term?) in the 8 round magazine.
The fellow shooting at the table next to me said steel case was the only issue he ever had with his Hi-Point.
So, is it a problem with the steel case or the Hornady style bullet?
What home defense ammo do you guys recommend?
note: edit to include bullet weight

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Is there a difference in the OAL between the two?

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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hobbles wrote:
Is there a difference in the OAL between the two?

The Fiocchi were just a bit longer... I'd guess by about .5mm

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Hobbles is probly right on spot with this. Fiocchis were too long. Got calipers?

As for defense ammo, I roll all my own with JHPs.

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I keep PDX-1 bonded JHP 124gr ammo in my 9mm's

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I know s lot of people say you shouldn't roll your own defense ammo but I am more comfortable with ammo I know and practice with regularly. I roll my own self defense ammo too and never have function problems.


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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Ex_ISP wrote:
Hobbles is probly right on spot with this. Fiocchis were too long. Got calipers?

As for defense ammo, I roll all my own with JHPs.

No calipers, but the Federal FMJ were shorter than the Fiocchi. What kind of investment would I have to make to get started reloading? Is reloading practical if I only shoot 100-200 rds. per month?

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I started with a Lee breechblock anniversary kit that had everything I needed to get started except dies and a good manual. Cost about $130, Lee dies about $45 for 9mm 4 die set, $20 for Lyman's 49th edition book. Then all you need is brass, bullets, primers and powder.

I like the Lee equipment, best bang for the buck. I think a single stage is a good way to get started but the 4 hole turret press can be used in a single stage mode so it can be a good way to go too.

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I started with the Lee turret, took the auto-index off and use it like a single stage. Have one turret set up for each caliber, just swap it out and ready to go. I buy a lot of my reloading stuff off Walmart.com and Amazon, my Lee 9mm dies and turret just arrived today as a matter of fact.

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I got the turret a few months back. Even without the auto index its faster just to turn the turret. I do need to get more turrets though.


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Its nice to be able to just change the turret heads out for different calibers. You get your dies set up exactly how you want them and they stay that way in their own turret head.

I would suggest Lee gear too if money is an issue. Best bang for your buck.

Reloading is not for everyone, it can save you money or cost you money, but the thing to remember is in times of ammo shortages if you have powder primers and bullets you are still able to have ammo.

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Do y'all use breech locks on your dies so when you change them, all the settings stay where you need/want them?


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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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I don't ever change the dies... just have extra toolheads with dies setup. Just a toolhead swap.

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See the toolheads in the background between the presses? Powder funnels and all, already to rock. Unfortunately, this is a much larger and more complete setup than mine but same thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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I make real JHP 230gn rounds for about $9-9.50 per 50 box. As opposed to $25 for a box of 20 rds, there is a huge saving. Whether or not you realize any savings stands to be seen. For me, it just enables me to shoot a lot more for the same fixed budget. But yes you can make quality (usually better than factory) defense rounds for cheap. I haven't bought commercial ammo in years except for rimfire.

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Hobbles is probly right on spot with this. Fiocchis were too long. Got calipers?

As for defense ammo, I roll all my own with JHPs.

No calipers, but the Federal FMJ were shorter than the Fiocchi. What kind of investment would I have to make to get started reloading? Is reloading practical if I only shoot 100-200 rds. per month?

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Side note, you can start reloding for as little as a couple hundred bucks or spend up to a thou. Just depends on how far you want to go (multiple calibers, etc) and how much you like it. (you will)

I would only add that most who start with a single stage press usually go up to a progressive later. That's extra money. If you think you want to do it, save a little and go progressive from the start. Lots of good help and info on this here at HPT. We'll all be willing to give you our opines!

Now as to the make/model of press, decide if you want to do it first, then we'll start into the paint wars! ;) ROFLOL

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