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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:23 pm 
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Hobbles I do like ISP does, I have the turret press and I have a turret head for each caliber. I set them up and then just change the whole 4 die head at once and everything stays set. Costs more but saves time in the long run.

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Y'all are more advanced then me, I'm still using the single stage press.

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I think you are doing it the best way with a single stage, you can set your dies and just change them out too.

I have a Lee single stage that I use for a lot of tasks like resizing and depriming. Easier to do it on a single stage for me than it is on the turret press

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I still use my single stage for load work up and sizing bullets.


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I need to get a single just so's I can use a push through brass resizer.

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Wow!! Lots of thoughts and comments!!

If you are really only going to shoot a couple hundred rounds a month,
and you want to start out as cheap as possible, I would highly recommend
This:

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$27.99 from Midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/553691 ... -9mm-luger

Now these other guys have good intentions, no doubt, but the Lee Classic Loader
is absolutely the cheapest way to start reloading. If you have that, the powder,
bullets and primers, you have all you need to start reloading!! Oh, and a plastic
hammer is needed too!! A caliper is another good thing to have - to measure
cartridge OAL and make sure the brass is within spec.
A couple hundred rounds a month would be very easy to do with this set-up.
You could gradually upgrade to a hand primer, and a scale, etc. whenever
you decide or can afford.
It sure isn't as fast as a press, but it is cheap!!

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jasonsch wrote:
Wow!! Lots of thoughts and comments!!

If you are really only going to shoot a couple hundred rounds a month,
and you want to start out as cheap as possible, I would highly recommend
This:

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$27.99 from Midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/553691 ... -9mm-luger
... <snipped>

Thanks, Jason. Now for my next question. I can purchase Federal 9mm JHP for about $0.19 per round. I priced brass at Midway and Brownell's and it looks like the brass alone will cost $0.25 per round, so what are the advantages to reloading and why would I want to do it other than to have a new hobby? Keep in mind that I am a newbie, I am not shooting for anything other than pleasure and I don't own any camo attire other a cap that some vendor of cardboard gave me when I still had a real job! :mdr:

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Any ranges around you? I have never yet paid for brass except .357/.38 spl when I first gor started with those calibers. Most brass, especially 9mm, can be found plentifully on the ground. Many shooting ranges will let you pickup brass left by other shooters.

What rounds do you plan on loading for/shooting? If it's just 9mm, I can send you a bunch through our proprietary (don't exist elsewhere) pay it forward program ;)

Let us know.

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 Post subject: Re: Steel case or the bullet?
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Plus,,, you can reload the same brass a heck of a lot of times. I ended up with 1000 9mm brass around the first of the year and am still using them. I'll probably look for nother 1000 next year, although I only had 1 with a split in it so far.

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I just remembered, I do have 800 that was only fired once in a container in the man cave.

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Rev, I'm quite certain that I can spare a couple hundred pieces of resized, deprimed and tumbled 9mm brass if you decide to start reloading.

Lee also makes a hand press that uses standard dies. Check out Lee's web site.


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How the single stage works

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Gentlemen, the offers of gratis brass from your personal stashes was totally unexpected, but not surprising judging from the character you all have exhibited to me in this forum and I truly thank you for that.
I'm a numbers guy and I just don't see the advantage to reloading at this time. As I mentioned, I get 9mm rounds at retail for 19¢ each. Even with gratis brass, it appears that bullet, powder, and primer will cost around 19¢ without factoring for my labor or the cost of the reloading system. I'll take a pass on that hobby for now.

Now, I guess it's time to forewarn you folks. If a woman (the lovely Mrs. Rev_Biff) should join these forums, be very afraid. I ordered a Taurus PT709 Slim Stainless pistol today while she was out having lunch with our daughter. She doesn't understand my need for another pistol and blames the bad influences I've subjected myself to in this group.
I should have the little pocket rocket by next Wednesday or Thursday and may or may not be out of the dog house by then.
Thanks again to all.

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I don't blame ya Rev. My reloads cost me about 1/3 what you pay but I cast my own lead too. A lot of folks around here shoot 9mm so I have brass to last me a long time. Seels like I'm the only person shooting .45 acp though.


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I must admit (and it's why I asked what other calibers you shoot, or plan to...) I haven't reloaded 9mm since the first setup I did. 9mm was so cheap and I still have lots. the other rounds can be/are a different story.
If you take off in shooting like most of us have, it will really save you stamps. IE, a box of .45 230gn defense rounds at the stores run about $25 for 20 rounds. I build 50 for 9$. And, they are more accurate and consistent than factory.

I currently load/shoot 9mm, 10mm (expensive), .38spl, .357, .40 and .45. All ammo I build are quality JHPs that I trust substantially more than factory ammo.

Just my 2 cents.

Third cent... It has been said that you should always practice with the ammo you wold use for SD. You don't want to use FMJ for SD.

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Sorry to see you go Dean. Never enough time and it makes
us all realize just what being mortal is. You have been a true friend to me
and I will miss you every day.



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