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Author:  srtolly [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:28 am ]
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Ex has something there. When you start shooting the weird stuff, like .41 Magnum, it pays off.

Author:  Dennis G [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:33 pm ]
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+1 to all the above ... be sure to get a 4 die set ... the extra crimp really finishes off the round. Also, I use a Franklin Arsenal brass tumbler which looks like the Lyman for $15 less and I buy corn cob cat litter from Pet Smart .. $10 for a 10lb bag that lasts a long time. Since my brass is all range pick-ups, need to clean it up. I don't polish it as I'm not standing inspection at Ft Bliss anymore. I clean mine before de-priming and have not had any problems after thousands of rounds. Some say you should de-cap first. I use a Lee hand primer and have had no problems once I got the hang of it. Works well with CCI #500 spp. I also use a Lee Perfect Powder dispenser and check every 10 rounds on a Franklin Arsenal digital scale. Some powders throw better than others with the Lee. Unique works very well.

Author:  jasonsch [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:25 pm ]
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Rev_Biff wrote:
Thanks, Jason. Now for my next question. I can purchase Federal 9mm JHP for about $0.19 per round. I priced brass at Midway and Brownell's and it looks like the brass alone will cost $0.25 per round, so what are the advantages to reloading and why would I want to do it other than to have a new hobby? Keep in mind that I am a newbie, I am not shooting for anything other than pleasure and I don't own any camo attire other a cap that some vendor of cardboard gave me when I still had a real job! :mdr:


Geez Rev Biff,
Mention reloading and the forum goes wild!!
As far as brass goes, it may be possible to pick up some brass laying around
out at the range.
The best thing you could probably do, is when you buy ammo, buy ammo with
brass cases and not steel, and just start saving them. It wouldn't take long before
you had a couple hundred pieces of brass
Lots of people sell once fired brass pretty cheap too - not to mention there are
apparently some people here that'll even just give you some!!

If you total it up, 9mm is pretty cheap to reload for, and the bullet is usually the
most expensive component. I know where you can buy 9mm bullets for $77 a thousand.
And powder is around $20 a pound and primers are about 3 cents a piece.
So:

Bullet - $77 Divided by 1,000 = .077 cents

Powder - $20 a pound Divided by 7,000 grains = .00286 cents per grain.
The most you'd use is 5 grains. So: 5 x .00286 = .0143 cents

Primers are about $30 per 1,000 which = .03 cents

So: .077 + .0143 + .03 = .1213 cents to reload a round

I think that's like 44-45% cheaper than .19 per round you can buy them for. :great:

And why reload? Besides to save money?
It's just plain fun for me - about as fun as shooting!!
And it's good therapy - I always feel better after a trip
to the range or when I get some reloading done.

And there is a sense of pride and a sense of accomplishment too.
Nothing is more fun than shooting your own reloads - and knowing you
are saving a few bucks too.

You can make it as simple or as complicated as you want!!

I started with that Classic Lee Loader and still own several of them.
But I have a Lee Load-Master now, a 5 hole progressive press,
that I reload 45 ACP with. Gonna try 25 ACP with it soon...

With the Classic Lee Loader, you really aren't out all that much if
you decide you don't like to reload. And You'll sure get a good
fundamental idea of how the reloading process works.

I don't know if anyone actually answered you original question about
whether the steel cased ammo can cause feeding problems.
The answer is Yes!! Some guns don't like steel cased ammo.
My SIL Glock jammed on steel cased ammo - He said that was
the only time it ever jammed on him ever.
So, it can make a difference!!




Author:  Rev_Biff [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:18 am ]
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jasonsch wrote:
Rev_Biff wrote:
<snipped>...
I don't know if anyone actually answered you original question about
whether the steel cased ammo can cause feeding problems.
The answer is Yes!! Some guns don't like steel cased ammo.
My SIL Glock jammed on steel cased ammo - He said that was
the only time it ever jammed on him ever.
So, it can make a difference!!



I'm thinking it is the steel case, too, but I'm also going to look for hollow points that are the same OAL as the Federal FMJ. The C9 eats that stuff like candy.
I think I'll just purchase my ammo in bulk for range shooting for now and leave the fascinating world of reloading to you guys who love it.

Author:  waltham41 [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:13 pm ]
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Rev save your brass case reloadable casings and you can sell them to us reloaders, which will make it cheaper for you to shoot...

see? reloading is saving you money and you aren't even reloading LOL

Author:  Rev_Biff [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:41 pm ]
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waltham41 wrote:
Rev save your brass case reloadable casings and you can sell them to us reloaders, which will make it cheaper for you to shoot...

see? reloading is saving you money and you aren't even reloading LOL
(wheels turning, smell of sawdust burning)...EUREKA! The lightbulb finally came on, my bulb is a bit dim most days. So Walt, you're saying I can turn the gun range into a profit center? I'm starting to warm up to this new shooting hobby more and more. :mdr:

That, of course, was said in jest. I will begin collecting brass when I go shooting and will develop a cache that I will offer to others just as you guys did for me.

Author:  waltham41 [ Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:48 pm ]
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I know of people that pay for their shooting habits by picking up brass at their ranges and selling what they cant use on various reloading forums.

Its part of the game and helps other reloaders get what they need for their addiction ;)

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:27 am ]
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Rev, there are several here that would be anxious for 10mm brass. looks like .40, but a smidge longer.

Author:  srtolly [ Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:43 am ]
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I'm always looking for .357 mag and .38 special brass.

Author:  h0use [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:01 am ]
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I shoot tons of wolf ammo threw my c9 with out any problems.

Author:  Rev_Biff [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:14 pm ]
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h0use wrote:
I shoot tons of wolf ammo threw my c9 with out any problems.


I tried some round nose in steel cases and didn't have the problem. I'm guessing the Hornady hollow point bullet is just bit longer than the rn and the FMJ bullets.

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