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 Post subject: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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Took a weekend trip. Left Vegas Saturday to spend a quiet night in Prescott -- hotel in the trees. Nice and quiet, pine smell, etc. They put us in the back away from the highway.

Well, Saturday in Prescott ... hit several gun stores and didn't buy much. Just a type 53 (best of 4 and it's nothing to brag about) but it was only $100, a spam can of 7.62x54r, a little odds'n'ends ammo. Oh yeah, a friend wanted a stun gun ( he said it's for his sister-in-law ... I honestly thought he liked her better than that but I asked for pictures)

Sunday we attended the gun show at Tim's Toyota Center. Small show, slow day. I bought a couple of boxes of .38 Super, a couple more of 7.62x38r, some Wolf 12 ga slugs and some unimportant stuff. I didn't find much in the way of firearms I was interested in spending money on but there was an Ishapore Enfield in 7.62x51 -- I've passed on these several times but always thought I'd grab one. This one said $300 on it and I figured I'd talk to the guy on my way out. On our way out I took another look and he'd marked it down to $250. I guess he was having a slow time and marked it down to get a little cash in his pocket; it worked. I bought it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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I got a couple of questions you guys might help me with. I've got a goody bag so I can put a Russian sling on the T53 but it has no cleaning rod. Will an M44 rod work and where can I find one cheap? The bore looks pretty good and the bolt is mismatched. I'm going to go ahead and clean it up. (I'm having second thoughts and may just get rid of this one)

The Ishapore 2a1: This is one of the cleanest I've seen. I know to avoid .308 ammo in it and I've got a pretty good supply of 7.62x51. What I don't know about is stripper clips. I've tried the couple of different 7.62 clips I've got and none of them work well. They worked okay in the mag loader for the FAL but not so well here. Do any of you have an idea about the best stripper clips for this? If so, where's a good place to get them?

Any other advice or knowledge passed my way will be, as always, appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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Good prices!

There was a rumor that m-14 stripper clips work for the Enfield?

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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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Thanks, I thought so too.
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Good prices!

I hope you're right because I'm going to pick up some of them; I'll try both 10 and 5 round.
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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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I shot 'em both today. The T53 probably needs better cleaning -- I got sticky bolt syndrome despite trying to clean the chamber thoroughly.

The problem was with the 2a1 -- it won't eject. Extraction is fine but it doesn't eject. A little reading led me to look at the extractor spring. It's the wrong one - a spring for a #4 is installed.

I'll order the right spring (Wolf) and give it a try. Otherwise everything appears to work well. I shot it with Wolf and the Pak surplus that was available on belts a couple of years ago.

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SKS cleaning rod for the T53. The M44 one will work but they're 1/2" longer, not that 1/2" is a killer or anything, it's just the SKS rod is the right length and threads.

On the sticky bolt, the best thing I've found is plug the muzzle with something (I use a silicone tapered plug I have for powder coating) fix the bayonet and stab it into the ground straight up and down. Take boiling (really boiling, not just "Hot") water and pour it into the chamber, filling up the barrel to the point where it almost to run out. Let it sit, in a minute you should see melted cosmoline start to come to the surface. Paper towel on a stick so you don't get burned, keep skimming the cosmo off as it comes up. You shouldn't have to repeat it but it's not a bad idea to make sure you got it all. A lot of the time it's hardened into the extractor cutout and will melt a little from shooting then gets down into the bolt and chamber or onto a round as it's chambered. I have one that I had to smack with a dead-blow hammer to get open after five rounds, no problems after doing this. Just make sure to oil her down good, the water will evaporate right away from the heat.

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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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Good info! Thanks for the heads-up on the cleaning rod and I'll give the boiling water a try.
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SKS cleaning rod for the T53. The M44 one will work but they're 1/2" longer, not that 1/2" is a killer or anything, it's just the SKS rod is the right length and threads.

On the sticky bolt, the best thing I've found is plug the muzzle with something (I use a silicone tapered plug I have for powder coating) fix the bayonet and stab it into the ground straight up and down. Take boiling (really boiling, not just "Hot") water and pour it into the chamber, filling up the barrel to the point where it almost to run out. Let it sit, in a minute you should see melted cosmoline start to come to the surface. Paper towel on a stick so you don't get burned, keep skimming the cosmo off as it comes up. You shouldn't have to repeat it but it's not a bad idea to make sure you got it all. A lot of the time it's hardened into the extractor cutout and will melt a little from shooting then gets down into the bolt and chamber or onto a round as it's chambered. I have one that I had to smack with a dead-blow hammer to get open after five rounds, no problems after doing this. Just make sure to oil her down good, the water will evaporate right away from the heat.

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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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another idea you can do for the sticky bolt is to take a chamber brush on a drill and give the chamber a working over.... every now and then you will find one with a burr in the chamber that will catch the fired brass. Check your fired brass and see if there are any drag marks on it like a burr would cause while the casing is coming out of the chamber

BTW, I hate you, you suck! I've been looking for a Ishapore Enfield and have not had any luck at decent prices ;)

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I've done this before, usually I wrap it in 0000 steel wool and put some jewelers' rouge on it. It can work well. The ammo looks good so I'll probably try the hot water trick MG suggested.
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another idea you can do for the sticky bolt is to take a chamber brush on a drill and give the chamber a working over.... every now and then you will find one with a burr in the chamber that will catch the fired brass. Check your fired brass and see if there are any drag marks on it like a burr would cause while the casing is coming out of the chamber

The 2a1 isn't glued to my hands y'know -- make me an offer I can't refuse ...
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BTW, I hate you, you suck! I've been looking for a Ishapore Enfield and have not had any luck at decent prices ;)

Or, you could wait a few weeks to see if I get tired of it. When that happens I'm more amenable to trades :quiet:

The guy that sold this to me has a source for ammo cans and while I was waiting to look at the rifle a guy was cooking a deal with him for several hundred cans. I walked away to let them finish and when I returned he had cut the price $50 to try to generate some cash to buy the cans. I guess it worked out for me I didn't get to that table a few minutes earlier the first time -- I'd have probably paid $300 without complaint.

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 Post subject: Re: Ishapore Enfield 2a1 and Type53
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If the rifle doesn't speak to you and you decide to sell it, please keep me in mind... I am working on a one of each country of enfields, and Im down to needing a Lithgow and a Ishapore 2A1

Picked up a nice Ishapore No1Mk3 with grenade copper wire but still want the .308 version also. Got a pending deal right now on a Savage .303

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Lithgow -- nice. You know I'll keep you in mind if I give it up, but it shoots pretty sweet (except for the ejection problem). I must admit I really prefer #4 sights -- if I could find a #4 in .308 I'd probably never shoot the 2a1.
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If the rifle doesn't speak to you and you decide to sell it, please keep me in mind... I am working on a one of each country of enfields, and Im down to needing a Lithgow and a Ishapore 2A1

You got a wrapped one, huh? Those are cool pieces of history. Good luck on the Savage -- looking forward to a thread.
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I had a really nice Lithgow No1Mk3 but I traded it for the Ishapore grenade rifle... I figured the grenade rifle was more rare especially in the condition this one is in.

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The wire wrapped rifle is probably more rare and collectors have driven the prices of them up in the last few years. I've never owned one but the history is very cool.

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... a little cash in his pocket; it worked. I bought it.

I'm going shooting tomorrow. I take crappy pictures but here's one anyway:
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Sounded like a good relaxing weekend. :thumb:

Just wonderin though, is one of your legs that much shorter than the other? Your pictures are tilted at a crazy angle! Or is it still the booze? You fell and you can't reach your guns so you took a picture that you thought was level? :whistle: :mrgreen: :run:

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On a more serious note, if the boiling water doesn't get it all out take it apart (if that's possible) and take the bolt and barrel to a car wash and use the degreasing soap with a blast of as hot of water as they have there. Most car washes don't offer hotter than tepid water because morons couldn't understand that hot water ay great speed hurts like hell. But for the price of a small chip you could get it clean right quick.

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