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 Post subject: Re: Restocked my fugly SKS
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Mine had a side-folding Tapco stock on it when I got it, didn't care for it so swapped an adjustable one onto it, much better. It loved the cheap Monarch ammo from Academy, hates the Tulammo from Walmart
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Hoping my AKs LOVE TULA, I have over 3K rounds, mostly bulk but a few boxes from Mall-Warts :(

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I bought several different manufacturer's ammo to try out in mine, Monarch FMJ from Academy is about the cheapest you can get in smaller quantities at $5.19 a box with free shipping over $39, just ordered another 200 rounds last night for $50 and change. I also got some of the Tulammo from Walmart and ordered in some PPU and Golden Bear soft point from SG and MFS soft point from Cabela's in a search to see which would be best for the occasional feral hog I might run across. The WASR didn't particularly care for ANY of the soft point, it all fed well enough but accuracy wasn't great but I haven't tried any of them since I did some work on the crown of the barrel. Here's the 100 yard targets from last weekends comparison shooting of Tulammo and Monarch. Slow fire off a Caldwell cheapy rifle rest.

First shot was high and left out of the clean, oiled bore then it settled down. This is with the Monarch.

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The Tulammo was noticeably hotter, I need to run everything across the chronograph and see if maybe it likes a slower round, I eventually would like to work up some loads of my own for it in a search for better accuracy.

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I have never found the HOT rounds to be the most accurate. Always somewhere in the middle. Perhaps the upper end of a mid range powder...

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I'm sure that handloading for this WASR will be my best bet to achieve "better than usual" accuracy. I can see that it has the capability of probably shooting groups even better than with the Monarch if given the attention of working up a load/bullet combo specifically for it.

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Agreed.

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The "TULA" comment about it being marginal or bad was directed towards ARs.
Hope it is AWESOME, my LGS#2 gets it sometimes and I am thinking of stocking
a $h!T-Ton of steel cased for my ARs! So darn cheap, compared to brass, I can afford the new barrel after 2k rounds easily!

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I also love the idea of "tuning" my "inherently inaccurate AKs" to the ammo.
This is more of a rumor from the AR Snobs who also said "steel cased ammo" ruins your AR ;)
Even the AK faithful didn't have the true data, saying "it's made for steel" :groan:

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Not having either an AK or AR, I can't make an affirmative statement either way. It kinda makes sense
that steel ammo would cause faster wear even if "it's made for it" but to what rate? I doubt theret exists any
solid empirical data on that.

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Not having either an AK or AR, I can't make an affirmative statement either way. It kinda makes sense
that steel ammo would cause faster wear even if "it's made for it" but to what rate? I doubt that exists any
solid empirical data on that.

+1 that, Ex...
I'm thinking that "made for it" is like the overall military AK specs were designed "loose" to enhance reliability.
Older AKs imported into the U$A were likely exhibiting more wear as a general statement, and folks got the
impression they were less accurate. All the statements I have run across have some basis in reality,
but get magnified and blown out of proportion. ARs are inherently more accurate, but slightly less
reliable in adverse conditions. It all comes back to the shooter and his/her training and maintenance
practices. I'm just trying to separate myth from reality here, and I believe I have a good answer as
far as the "steel case wear issue" for the AR15 rifle platform. It's a non-issue :opinion:

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So, mogunner,

Just how many rounds do You have to buy before Your weapon is 'fully stocked'...?

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10k in each caliber, or the materials to load that many rounds. I'm lacking in both x54r and x39 at the moment but good in .22, .223, 9mm and .38SPL. In my experience Tulammo in any caliber renders marginal accuracy, and I've shot it in 9mm, x39 and x54r.

It's not the metal cases that cause premature wear in the AR's, it's the bi-metal bullet that they use, the outer "gilding" is very thin. I like reloading the .223 steel cases, you can get at least 8 reloads out of them, I can vouch for that as I have 20 that I am running to see how long I go before getting any failures or potential case separation.

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It's not the metal cases that cause premature wear in the AR's, it's the bi-metal bullet that they use, the outer "gilding" is very thin. I like reloading the .223 steel cases, you can get at least 8 reloads out of them, I can vouch for that as I have 20 that I am running to see how long I go before getting any failures or potential case separation.

How do you do the primers???

I have seen some boxer primed steel case, iirc... but most Russian is Berdan, correct?


1000 per caliber is minimum, that should read 1000 per weapon from what I have researched.
I'm going heavy on the battle rifle calibers, but I have friends that will be helping me shoot it!

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Pretty much all the Tulammo EXCEPT for the .223 is Berdan, but for some reason they got with it and it's all Boxer primed, I reload it just like I do brass except I don't try and tumble it till it's shiny, for some reason the steel cleans up a lot faster after a range trip than the brass does. I only shoot and reload steel cases that I myself have shot, not picking up stuff that's lying on the ground for no one knows how long.

Steel doesn't expand like brass, so when sizing you'll get it pretty much 90% of the way into the die before it even touches. I use the homemade lanolin/ISO lube and a roll pad. I tumble in walnut for about an hour after sizing to get rid of any residual lube, then load as you would brass. I have the Lee FCD in my turret but the steel has excellent neck tension so it's really not needed but I still give it a slight "nudge" just for my own OCD...

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mogunner wrote:
Pretty much all the Tulammo EXCEPT for the .223 is Berdan, but for some reason they got with it and it's all Boxer primed, I reload it just like I do brass except I don't try and tumble it till it's shiny, for some reason the steel cleans up a lot faster after a range trip than the brass does. I only shoot and reload steel cases that I myself have shot, not picking up stuff that's lying on the ground for no one knows how long.

Steel doesn't expand like brass, so when sizing you'll get it pretty much 90% of the way into the die before it even touches. I use the homemade lanolin/ISO lube and a roll pad. I tumble in walnut for about an hour after sizing to get rid of any residual lube, then load as you would brass. I have the Lee FCD in my turret but the steel has excellent neck tension so it's really not needed but I still give it a slight "nudge" just for my own OCD...


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lol, there's not much more to it other than what I already posted, there's a LOT of folks out there that reload the steel cases, even the Berdan primed. They fill the case with water then use a dowel the same diameter as the mouth of the case, use a block with a hole in it large enough for the primer to "shoot" into and smack the dowel with a hammer, the hydraulic pressure deprimes the case. You can buy Berdan primers but that's just too much work for me to mess with as most of your x54r steel cased stuff will split the neck, often on the first firing.

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