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 Post subject: Another old milsurp followed me home
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Never thought in a million years that I would do this, but a guy walked in with a French 1886 Lebel 8mm that was made in 1890. Shoots the 8mm Lebel round, the first round to be designed to shoot modern smokeless powder.

Im going to get a friend to fix a crack in the stock, and I have to find someone to silver solder the tube magazine spring as it is broken in the middle... other than that it shoots and cycles fine bore is very dark with good strong rifling so this old gun should turn out pretty nice.

Go ahead with the "never shot only dropped once" jokes, a few days ago I would have been right there with you LOL

Guy wanted 200 for the gun I thought at that price I cant loose too bad.,, hell you cant find them anywhere on the net for less than 450!!!

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A year or so ago I picked up a French Mle. 1866-74 Chassepot that was made in 1867 and modified for the 11x59R Gras cartridge is 1879. I got a good deal on it and it's all matching and all complete. Just took a bit of cleaning to get it looking a lot better. Bore is still shiny.

Anyone who pooh-poohs French rifles has never handled one of these 19th or early 20th Century examples. The craftsmanship is outstanding. I'd put it up there with any Swedish firearm I've ever owned. Aesthetically I've never been a fan of the mid-20th Century firearms, but these older examples are very nice.

So good on you! :)

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I think you did great. The craftsmanship in this old rifles is impressive and you've picked up a true piece of history.

I'd have grabbed it too!

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Walt, I have that EXACT rifle and mine includes the original leather sling with the soldiers name! My Uncle brought it back from when he was over there in WWII.

My bore was also dark... turned out to be the dried up hardened creosote like material they stored them with. Couple days of Hoppes swabs intermixed with some copper bore brushing and it brightened up perfectly.
Glad to see you also have the bayonet.

I actually have 15 OLD original rounds. Wouldn't try to use them but.. Nice rifles for the collector. And, like you said, very low use ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Another old milsurp followed me home
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Walt - He's a gun magnet!!
Good find!! :great:

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VERY nice looking rifle Greg! I wish the bore in mine looked like yours... I think its going to clean up good but not like yours.

I got the Lee dies yesterday to load for the 8mm Lebel, and I should be able to use a standard 8mm mold to make boolits for it...

Took a crappy pic of it, guy is going to clean the wood up some for me and fix a crack that is in the forestock. This is now the oldest gun I have in my collection, it was made 25 years after the civil war ended.. coolness factor to me.

sorry for the link, cant get anything to embed today grrrrrr.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z167 ... gdawij.jpg

I've actually been pretty busy adding to the collection lately, the last shipment of mosins that came in had a hex receiver, it happened to be a MO stamped rifle with triple dates! Not bad for 99 bucks.... I also picked up a Ruger Blackhawk in 44 mag, a Henry golden boy hex barrel .44 mag lever action, a Czech VZ52 still in 7.62x45 nd a Century arms VZ2008 (a copy of the Czech VZ58.. really neat rifle

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Would love to see a pic of yours Ex, sadly I do not have the bayo for it, but the rifle is good enough for me :)

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Greg posted a photo better than my camera will take. Looks like he also has the orig leather sling... yours orig Greg?
So Walt, you know that danged pyramid shapped Lebel cartridge, eh? ;)

Here's some I took of my 1892 Mannlicher in 8mm Lebel a yr.5 ago...
also from the St Ettienne armory

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/exisp/8mm%20Lebel/IMAG0034.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/exisp/8mm%20Lebel/IMAG0033.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/exisp/8mm%20Lebel/IMAG0039.jpg

And here's info and better photos of same... mines the bottom of three in the first photo
http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/French%20Rifles/The%20French%20Berthier%20Rifle/The%20French%20Berthier%20Rifle.htm

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 Post subject: Re: Another old milsurp followed me home
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Ex_ISP wrote:
Greg posted a photo better than my camera will take. Looks like he also has the orig leather sling... yours orig Greg?


Nope. No sling came with this rifle. The bayonet and scabbard match each other, but not the rifle. (Though both are correct for this rifle.) I couldn't imagine finding a rifle this old with the original sling. That would be epic! :)

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My sling is original. See if I have the name photo...

Flip it 180 and if you can read french, maybe you can tell me what
it says! LOL
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n532/exisp/8mm%20Lebel/IMAG0037.jpg

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Attributed to Ex and he'll take credit for anything he can get!

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Attributed to Edmund Burke, though it's source cannot be proven.

"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"
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Sorry to see you go Dean. Never enough time and it makes
us all realize just what being mortal is. You have been a true friend to me
and I will miss you every day.



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Oh, I see what you were looking at - that's not a sling. That's the inscribing on the flat of the bayonet blade. And it was made before they had e/p's, so I'd say they were pretty good at it. :)

The writing on your sling looks like it reads "PFFAUR." Maybe "PEFAUR." I'm assuming it's someone's name? I just did a quick Bing search and there seem to be lots of French sounding people with a last name of Pefaur. So maybe that's what it is?

If it were German I could help more on that part. :)

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