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Author:  hobbles [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  tite group powder question

I have 2 questions.
1.
I am using my pistol loads in my 995. I read that the powder is to hot/fast burning to do that. Trouble is with my eyes, I don't think changing powder would help me too much. Wearing one pair of glass's I can see both sights. but can't see the target, with the other pair, I can see the target, but not the sights. Now I am using 3.8 grains of powder, the min is 3.7. Both my pistols, C-9 and 9UC like that load, plus at 21 feet the bullets go through 4 gallon milk jugs fill with water set a 1 inch apart. So I don't see why I should change powder, what is y'alls thought on that and why?
Shot at 21 feet, I can't see the darn target at my 100 foot bench with out a scope.
(big circle 3", small circle 1 1/4")
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2.
Now is was raining out when I was shooting so maybe that might mean something, but the brass is looking and feeling awful dirty and sticky coming out of my 995. Is that something I should worry about?

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Author:  Ex_ISP [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

Brass coming dirty... is it a carbon streak down the side or just dirty in general? Either is usually a sign of low pressure for sealing the brass in the chamber... a carbon streak down one side is a sure sign of that.
Build 10 or 15 rounds for it with a couple tenths more powder and see if it cleans up. TiteGroup usually doesn't have a sealing problem because it's such a fast powder but this test will deny or confirm that.

May I ask what weight of bullet you are loading with?

Author:  mogunner [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

The load I worked up in titegroup for 9mm 115gr plated Xtreme is 4.2. I've loaded up some 9mm for my buddy to shoot in his 995 and never a complaint. I do get some "sticky" brass once in awhile but I've come to the conclusion that I had a bit too much Nufinish in my media. Never a problem with it, the stickiness seems to be only on the brass, not in the chamber.

Author:  hobbles [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

Hope the vid helps answer your question, I am using melted wheel weights that weigh around 124 grain.
You saying I need to use more powder????

http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v32 ... 0brass.mp4

Author:  mogunner [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

I haven't worked up a load in Titegroup for the 124gr as of yet. If you don't know exactly what your cast bullets are as far as hardness you'll need to watch for leading. I've been using HP38 behind that cast 124gr Hy-tek coated bullets, 3.9 grs of that give my just under 1000fps but I do get some carbon on the front half of the brass with that low of a load. I'd load some up going .1gr at a time and watch the brass for carbon and the muzzle for lead as you go.

Author:  hobbles [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

Evenin mogunner,
I've been thinking about doing that. I've also been wondering "what damage can/does it do the way it is"?

Author:  waltham41 [ Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

Hobbles I don't think it is a matter of doing any damage the way it is, its just that you are not getting 100% performance out of your round because part of the pressure is escaping around your brass due to it not being sealed as well as it could be. I think you will always get some blow by, its just a matter of how much. Guys?

Author:  srtolly [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:17 am ]
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I run titegroup in all my 9mm loads and 124 grain hp Ranier plated projectiles. 4.1 grains does all I need in all my handguns, sorry I don't have a carbine.

Author:  Randy [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

I put 3.7-3.8gr W231 and Titegroup behind Winchester 115gr JRNHB (IIRC, but that's why it is written down on the wall). But I just want the bullet to exit the bore, accuracy is not something I strive for. My old military pistols are likely much more accurate than I could ever be anyway. http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

BTW- I have the same old eyes problem. Trifocals. Might talk to to the eye doc next time there, doubt there is much that can be done though. Maybe progressive lens? There might be a sweet spot with them. But it's not likely. Eyes either see close or far as we age, getting both is purely luck of the genes. :cry:

Author:  hobbles [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

Ok, that's why I asked y'all the question. I got the answer I needed. Now I have to listen and do it. I'll up the powder and find the right load for the 995. I just don't have any free brass laying around at the moment. But, we all know how to fix that. Image


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Author:  Ex_ISP [ Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: tite group powder question

Exactly!


waltham41 wrote:
Hobbles I don't think it is a matter of doing any damage the way it is, its just that you are not getting 100% performance out of your round because part of the pressure is escaping around your brass due to it not being sealed as well as it could be. I think you will always get some blow by, its just a matter of how much. Guys?

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