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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:44 pm 
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Jason sent me my first red dot scope, I've never used one before. So between him and Walt I have learned about them.
The scope that Jason sent me is a good one, it keeps it's zero. One thing I have noticed is that when I'm in the sun, I can sight it in fast, but if I'm in any kind of shade, I can't find the top of the front sight my 995. That was a real bummer. So after thinking about it a while, I decided to fix it. My 995 needed to be able to grab the light all the time, that way I would have no problem putting the red dot on top of the front sight. Was an easy fix and it works with my old eyes.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:07 pm 
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You don't have to co-witness the red dot with the front sight. The purpose of a red dot scope is fast target acquisition using the eye's natural desire to center the red dot in the field of vision. It isn't meant to be a long range accuracy sight at all, in general only meant to be able to put one center mass inside 100 yards quickly.

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"It isn't meant to be a long range accuracy sight at all"
I understand what you are saying, but neither is a 9mm pistol cartridge. My intention in firing any weapon is to be able to hit the third button down. "Aim small, miss small.

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You don't have to co-witness the red dot with the front sight. The purpose of a red dot scope is fast target acquisition using the eye's natural desire to center the red dot in the field of vision. It isn't meant to be a long range accuracy sight at all, in general only meant to be able to put one center mass inside 100 yards quickly.

Mo - I think hobbles knows that...

I've seen guys put those dot-sights on their AR's way out towards the end of the barrel.
Is that a better way to use a dot-sight like hobbles has??
I have Zero experience with a dot-sight...


And - It is fun to shoot those calibers that aren't meant for long range at long ranges...

I occasionally shoot my JHP pistol at targets (like a plastic pop bottle) at a 100 yards and sometimes even 200 yards.

It gives "Hold-Over" a whole new meaning!!

It's kinda wild to hear the "Bang" and like 2 seconds later see the bullet impact that far away!!

I would think a carbine would be more accurate and just as much fun. :D

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Mounting the red dot way forward like that would give you an advantage, like having a front and rear sight that are a long ways from each other, the longer sight radius is more accurate. Sorta like comparing sights on a pistol to those on a rifle. A tiny bit off on a pistol means a LONG ways off at any distance. I know I'm not explaining it very well, lol.

The problem with mounting a red dot that far forward is that generally they are only a 20-30mm objective, which it could prove difficult to even find the dot. I mount mine in the middle of the receiver for the most part.

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I never really messed with a dot sight but I may have to get one for one of my ARs. I have a 2.5x scope on one of them that I've been thinking might be good on my 30/30.


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srtolly wrote:
I never really messed with a dot sight but I may have to get one for one of my ARs. I have a 2.5x scope on one of them that I've been thinking might be good on my 30/30.

I'd like to try a dot sight out too - I have to get going on my other AR first!!

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Mounting the red dot way forward like that would give you an advantage, like having a front and rear sight that are a long ways from each other, the longer sight radius is more accurate. Sorta like comparing sights on a pistol to those on a rifle. A tiny bit off on a pistol means a LONG ways off at any distance. I know I'm not explaining it very well, lol.

The problem with mounting a red dot that far forward is that generally they are only a 20-30mm objective, which it could prove difficult to even find the dot. I mount mine in the middle of the receiver for the most part.

That's what I was thinking - further ahead would be better with a sight like that - up to a point!!

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If you're just wanting to try one out, don't go too cheap. The best "inexpensive'' one that I've found is the Bushnell TRS25. Right now you can get it on Jet.com for like $65 if you use the coupon code shown. I put one on the wife's AR with a riser and it's great.

https://www.slickguns.com/product/bushn ... code-shopr

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the main advantage of having the RD site out as far as possible is keeping a larger field of view, situational awareness, if you will.

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But it's also slower to acquire your sight picture with it very far out. Farthest I'll go with one is about 18" in front of my eye when in firing position. I had one that came mounted on the rail on a Tapco handguard on an AK, that was too far out for me.

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the main advantage of having the RD site out as far as possible is keeping a larger field of view, situational awareness, if you will.



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I kinda wondered... I'm thinking "It's a new guy!!"

And then see he has 4700+ posts!!! :shock: :D

Your name being a different color might also be a pretty good hint... :hmmm:

You know - it seems like everybody name has a different color than mine!!

And - my letters are BLACK!!!!!
I'm starting to think I might be getting discriminated against here! :thinkin:

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hobbles wrote:
Jason sent me my first red dot scope, I've never used one before. So between him and Walt I have learned about them.
The scope that Jason sent me is a good one, it keeps it's zero. One thing I have noticed is that when I'm in the sun, I can sight it in fast, but if I'm in any kind of shade, I can't find the top of the front sight my 995. That was a real bummer. So after thinking about it a while, I decided to fix it. My 995 needed to be able to grab the light all the time, that way I would have no problem putting the red dot on top of the front sight. Was an easy fix and it works with my old eyes.

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Hey HPT Vet,
You and I share the same challenge when it comes to seeing the front sight of the 995ts iron sights. I have discovered a way to make that front sight jump right out for the many seniors or visually impaired. I have also mounted a red dot scope on the top rail, with a see through riser that allows me to keep iron sights. I do not cowitness my red dot sight with the iron sights. The red dot is zeroed in separately from the iron sights.
I have tried all the glow paints, fluorescent paints, different colors, etc and they did not work for me. The glow paints were great when they were glowing. The flourescent glow paints claim that you can shine a strong LED light on the paint & they will glow for hours. ( I have tried many of these glow paints & the glow only lasts for minutes -- not hours)
My discovery is that there is an easy way to make the glow paint glow 24/7. The answer is that anytime light is shining on the glow paint - it glows. A small, low power/low profile led light can be mounted on the top front part of the 995 (with a bit of enginuity) and nicely illuminates the front sight. The top mounted light, must be low profile enough that it does not block the line of vision from back sight to front sight.
Or one could purchase the $20 Hi Point side rails & mount an LED light on the side rail - the peripheral light from the side mounted light makes the front sight glow paint illuminate nicely allowing weaker eyes to visualize the glowing front sight

There are some draw backs:
The light must run consistently to illuminate the glow paint day or night while the carbine is in use.
From a self defense standpoint, lights on weapons always identify your location during an altercation.

Certainly a low budget answer to illuminate the front sight, but this has allowed me to pick up the front quickly and clearly when using the iron sights. This will do fine until I can afford the high dollar night sights.

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