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Scope on a Carbine
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 Post subject: 4595 Scope Installation
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:46 pm 
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I decided to go ahead and mount a scope on my new 4595 as I got this scope with it:

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The pretty cheap Simmons 8-Point scope 4-12x40 that I like...
I have one on one of my AR's and it's been working good so far!!

I had some fairly tall "see through" scope rings and I was hoping I could mount the scope with and leave the original sights...
In the picture below, I have one ring on the right to show what it looks like and they were too short to work... )-:

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I had a couple of other options, including a 1/2 inch riser and some taller rings.

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I had hopes the riser would work as the super tall rings aren't the "see through" type...
When I tried to mount the riser, it wouldn't fit!!
The plastic rail on top of my 4595 apparently isn't the "picatinny" type. )-:

I flipped it upside-down to see how the riser would line up with the plastic top rail and...

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Well - about every 5th one lined up...

So - I decided to remove the original open sights from my 4595 and use a set of shorter rings.

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There it is - the open sights are off!!
I saved all the screws by taping them to the main part of the rear sight...
That way I can always put it back to original if I want to. (-:

I figured out where I wanted the shorter rings mounted and put them on the plastic rail.

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These are Weaver Quad Lock rings and I really like them! :great:
But - they didn't fit... I tightened them up, but they were still loose on the plastic rail.

I'm starting to think Hi-Point put this rail on there just for looks... :neutral:
Apparently this isn't a Weaver rail or a picatinny rail.
So now what?

I put the 1st "see through" rings back on and they would tighten up - Yes!! :mdr:
So I put the scope on and got it positioned where I wanted it.
And I made sure it was level before tightening it down.

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So - here it is!! My 4595 with a 4-12x40 scope!!

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Now - I need to take it to the range and see how well it shoots!!
I kinda wanted to see if it might shoot a semi-decent group at a 100 yards.
A big slow pistol cartridge shooting a round-nose bullet with a .180 ballistic coefficient... That bullet will slow down fast!!

So I thought maybe a 5 inch group would be possible?? :dunno:

I guess we will see!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:48 pm 
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So Jason, is this still the plastic rail HP was using for a while? That would be my biggest concern... the plastic moving.

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 Post subject: Re: 4595 Scope Installation
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:04 pm 
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Seems to me that picatinny and weaver are now open source technology so why HiPoint doesn't use it is confusing. Why would they think that with their very limited offerings they needed to make the rail proprietary? Whatever happened to MakeMinea4595ts? Maybe he could answer that.

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Found this for you...

Picatinny Rails, Weaver Rails, What’s The Difference?
When you are looking through the Brownells Catalog, there are many different parts and accessories that use the words Picatinny and Weaver to describe what they are compatible with. Just what is a Picatinny Rail anyway? And how is it different from a Weaver? It will be beneficial to look at the origin of the Picatinny system first.

The “Picatinny Rail” is a term that has evolved in the firearm industry from a military standard, specifically MIL-STD-1913 (AR) which was adopted on February 3, 1995. The title of the publication is “Dimensioning Of Accessory Mounting Rail For Small Arms Weapons” and this document specified exactly what the dimensions and tolerances were for any mounting systems that were to be submitted for acceptance by the military. The term “Picatinny” comes from the place of origin for this system, the Picatinny Arsenal located in New Jersey. MIL-STD-1913 specifies the dimensions required for consideration, including length, width, height, and angles and the tolerances allowed for each measurement. The key distinction of the MIL-STD-1913 lies in the specification for the profile and the recoil groove.

Here is the URL to see the charts that accompany the text>
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=10724/guntechdetail/Picatinny_Rails__Weaver_Rails__What_s_The_Difference_

What are the differences between the “Picatinny” and the “Weaver” systems? The profile of the two systems is virtually identical. Depending on the quality of the machining done by the manufacturer, the two systems should be indistinguishable from the profile. The key difference lies in the placement of the recoil grooves and with width of the grooves. MIL-STD-1913 (Picatinny) grooves are .206” wide and have a center-to-center width of .394”. The placement of these grooves has to be consistent in order for it to be a true “Picatinny” MIL-STD system. Weaver systems have a .180” width of recoil groove and are not necessarily consistent in a center-to-center measurement from one groove to the next. In many instances, a Weaver system has a specific application that it is machined for, so interchangeability is not necessarily an issue. A MIL-STD-1913 system must adhere to the specifications listed above in order for it to be considered MIL-STD, since the military desires uniformity in the recoil grooves to allow for different systems to be mounted on the weapon with no concern for compatibility.

Now, what does this mean to you? Boiled down, it means that accessories designed for a Weaver system will, in most cases, fit on a “Picatinny” system. The reverse, however, is probably not the case. Due to the larger recoil groove, “Picatinny” accessories will not fit a Weaver system. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule, but for a good rule-of-thumb, “Picatinny” won’t fit Weaver, but Weaver will fit “Picatinny”.

As for a Dovetail mount...shouldn't ever find one of those off an airsoft gun or rimfire. Will a Dovetail mount onto a Weaver or Picatinny...it appears as though it will, but not correctly, the angles are different and basically the Dovetail is designed to clamp on (into) the sides of the sharp angles ground into the metal of the receiver, this does not allow any frictional resistance twixt the two so some siding may occur.

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