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Which .380 would you buy??
Beretta Pico 50%  50%  [ 2 ]
Remington RM380 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kahr CW380 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Buy All Three 25%  25%  [ 1 ]
Get a 9mm 25%  25%  [ 1 ]
.380 is a Pussy Caliber - Get a 45 or 10mm 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Just Jam a 12 Gauge In Your Pants 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Getting a New .380 Pocket Pistol - Help Me Decide!!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:09 am 
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You guys have me jonesing for a new .380.
I've got 3 Bersas, and they are nice shooters.
I've wondered about the Pico. How are they sizewise compared to a Bersa or even the Kel Tec?

Husker - I was thinking at one time you had a Ket-Tec .380??
You have so many guns, I figured if you do, you forgot you had one - or maybe I'm remembering something from long ago
and it's something you've sold. Or I'm just plain wrong and it wasn't you... :neutral:

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My research showed the keltec was the smallest and least favorite to shoot. The Ruger LCP is a nice shooter if you can find one. The Pico was quite a bit lighter lighter than the Bersa but that's probably why the Bersa is a nice shooter.

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In that video I posted a link to towards the beginning of the post,
where those fellas ran a whole bunch of rounds through the Remington RM380.

A couple guys commented on how that Remington was a lot more pleasant to shoot than the Ruger LCP.
I'm sure because the Remington is a little bit heavier.

Now, with my VAST experience with the Taurus TCP and the Beretta Pico,
Which consists of 7 rounds through each...

The Pico is more pleasant to shoot - The recoil is definitely less "snappy".
A small part of the reason is weight, Pico - 11.5 ounces TCP - 10.2
The biggest factor is the Pico has a STIFF recoil spring and I think that absorbs a bit of recoil.
And - if you can use it - the extended mag on the Pico makes it a lot easier to hang on to.

Just for the record, I'll list some weights of 380's in ounces - Lightest to heavy.

Kel-Tek - 8.3
Ruger LCP - 9.4
Kahr CW380 - 9.97
Taurus 738 - 10.2
Beretta Pico - 11.5
Colt Mustang - 12.0
S&W Bodyguard - 12.0
Remington RM 380 - 12.2

Bersa Thunder CC - 16.4
Bersa Thunder - 20.0
Hi-Point CF380 - 29.0

There are more - but that shows the gist of it.
And you can see I put a gap from the Bersa's on down...

I ain't never handled a Bersa - but it's pretty obvious they are bigger than what I'd consider a "pocket" Pistol.

The Bersa Rev_Biff bought Is closer the a Hi-Point 380 in weight than the Kel-Tec.

By the way Rev_Biff, Nice pistol!! :great: Hope we get a range report on it soon!! :doublegun2:

And they both have 3-1/2" barrels barrels too where the "Pocket Pistols" are more in the 2-3/4" range.
And it's no wonder the Bersa is more pleasant to shoot - It's a heavier more of a "Mid-Sized" pistol - with bigger grips and all.

So - as with everything - it depends on what a guy is looking for.
If a guy is looking for a .380 to take to the range and do some target shoot every so often,
or if you're gonna carry IWB or another place with a little more room than your front pocket,
I would think the Bersa is a fine choice.

And maybe a Bersa would work OK in the front pocket - but the black and gold one I like weighs just about
exactly twice as much as my Pico does, and only holds one more round.
The CC Bersa is a little lighter, and holds 2 more rounds than the smaller pistols, which is good!

But my desire from the get-go is a little pistol I can put in a pocket holster and comfortably carry in the front pocket of my pants.
I wanna carry it with one in the tube and have a SAO with a 10 pound or so trigger pull for safety and speed.
I work in an office and have to dress fairly nice - and I wear suspenders too - which dictates a tucked in shirt and I hate jackets - too hot!
I also sit at my desk for the majority of a 11 hour day and a the smaller and lighter the pistol, the better.
And with it in the front pocket, it's not jabbing me in the side or the back.
Keep in mind that I'm a 350+ pound flibbo and when I wedge my fat ass in a chair at work,
there isn't a whole lot of extra room between me and the chair.
And I guess another thought I just had - I probably have bigger pockets in the big 350 pound flibbo pants I wear too.

And the last thing - I don't plan on taking this pistol to the range except maybe once or twice a year.
The main thing is that if I ever need it - it'll go bang when I pull the trigger.
Comfort with shooting it and longer range accuracy is not important.
Portability and reliability are the No.1 thing.

My Pico loaded and in my pocket with the full 2nd mag is about as heavy as I'd like to carry in the front pocket.
And I'm really happy that I can carry it like I do and I really like that Beretta Pico.

Anyway - that about the extent of my .380 knowledge!!! :whistle:

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 Post subject: Re: Getting a New .380 Pocket Pistol - Help Me Decide!!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:16 am 
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jasonsch wrote:
I also sit at my desk for the majority of a 11 hour day and a the smaller and lighter the pistol, the better.
And with it in the front pocket, it's not jabbing me in the side or the back.

I sometimes carry my Bersa .380 in my back pocket depending on what I'm wearing.
Find it the most comfortable over OWB or IWB.

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Husker - I was thinking at one time you had a Ket-Tec .380??
You have so many guns, I figured if you do, you forgot you had one - or maybe I'm remembering something from long ago
and it's something you've sold. Or I'm just plain wrong and it wasn't you... :neutral:


Jason, you are right, I do have a Kel Tec P3AT
2 of my Bersas are .380 and I bought that .380 Llama from Tolley.
I think that's all the .380s I have :hmmm:

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The Bersa thunders remind me of a Walther PPK... nice little pistols. I had 4 in stock and I'm down to 1 thunder CC

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waltham41 wrote:
The Bersa thunders remind me of a Walther PPK... nice little pistols. I had 4 in stock and I'm down to 1 thunder CC

They are essentially PPK clones. Most reviewers agree that the Bersa trigger is much better than the Walther and they are very accurate.

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Rev_Biff wrote:
waltham41 wrote:
The Bersa thunders remind me of a Walther PPK... nice little pistols. I had 4 in stock and I'm down to 1 thunder CC

They are essentially PPK clones. Most reviewers agree that the Bersa trigger is much better than the Walther and they are very accurate.

I wondered about that!!
I always thought they looked like a PPK!!

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They look a LOT alike don't they!!

Wait - who is that??

Whoa!! It's James Bond!!
"Shaken - Not stirred.."

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I have an old PP Walther
I should drag it out and see how close they really are

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I have an old PP Walther
I should drag it out and see how close they really are

Husker - If you do - take a few pictures!!
And maybe you can throw your Kel-Tec P3AT in there too for a
a little side-by-side comparison. :great:

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I don't have a PPK to compare (like an idiot I sold a mirror finish nickel Austrian PPK in the 90s), but I thought I'd post my 3 amigos for a size comparison. RIA 1911 A1, BT380 and a Tanfoglio GT27.

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I don't have a PPK to compare (like an idiot I sold a mirror finish nickel Austrian PPK in the 90s), but I thought I'd post my 3 amigos for a size comparison. RIA 1911 A1, BT380 and a Tanfoglio GT27.

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All-Right Biff!!
That's what I was thinking - without actually seeing it - till now!!

The Tanfoglio sure looks smaller than the Bersa - by a pretty fair amount.
The Tanaglio is a 25 ACP, isn't it?

The Bersa wouldn't really be considered a "pocket pistol" I don't think...

I'd still like to get one someday!!

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jasonsch wrote:

The Tanfoglio sure looks smaller than the Bersa - by a pretty fair amount.
The Tanaglio is a 25 ACP, isn't it?

The Bersa wouldn't really be considered a "pocket pistol" I don't think...

I'd still like to get one someday!!

Yep on .25 for the little one. Bersa wouldn't be hard to carry in a back pocket but it's not as small as the LCP or the Pico.

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jasonsch wrote:
Husker - If you do - take a few pictures!!
And maybe you can throw your Kel-Tec P3AT in there too for a
a little side-by-side comparison. :great:

Here's some comparisons Jason
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Bersa Thunder 380
Kel Tec P3AT
Walther PP
Llama 380 (Bought from Tolly)
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PP in front of the BT380
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BT380 on the left, PP on the right
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PP on top of BT380
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Kel Tec P3AT top, BT380 bottom
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Nice!!! :great:

Thanks Husker!! :D

It took a day or two to get back here...
But that confirms what I was thinking with the size of them.

That Bersa would be a little too big for pocket carry - Too big for my needs anyway!!

But it Sure is Nice to see them side by side.

I still like that Black and Gold...
Looks really good to me!! :cool:

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Nice!!! :great:

Thanks Husker!! :D

It took a day or two to get back here...
But that confirms what I was thinking with the size of them.

That Bersa would be a little too big for pocket carry - Too big for my needs anyway!!

But it Sure is Nice to see them side by side.

I still like that Black and Gold...
Looks really good to me!! :cool:

I like the black and gold too, and I agree, it's a bit too big for my pockets.
Now the Kel Tec on the other hand.........

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I like the black and gold too, and I agree, it's a bit too big for my pockets.
Now the Kel Tec on the other hand.........


Kel-Tec is the company that really came up with the 1st (and maybe the best!!)
"Super-Light & Super-Compact" .380 aren't they?? I'm not sure, just always thought so... :hmmm:

I know their .32 caliber version is really light!! Lighter than the P3AT even.

That's another unpopular caliber I'd like to try - the .32 ACP. :D

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