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 Post subject: Re: Possibly - my 1st Revolver...
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:48 pm 
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I most certainly had a death grip on that bitch... :shock:

And Randy - I just figured it'd help with the road-rage stuff...
It's big and easy to see.
A guy pisses me off I can pull it out and wave it around and if that doesn't work I'll put a FMJ through his engine block... :dunno:

All that recoil is felt... I think I enjoyed it!!
I hope that doesn't make me a "sick" person...

It was basically my 1st experience dealing with a "heavy recoiling" pistol for more than just 1 or two shots.
I think several thousand rounds through my JHP has helped me be a better pistol shooter too.

And the recoil really didn't bother me too much - just the bleeding and pain did - a real distraction!!
A little smoothing of the razor blade edge on the bottom back of those grips will certainly help with that!!

And I need more practice... Much more practice!!
I'll be ordering reloading dies and some bullets before too long...

And as long as were talking about reloading dies...

Lee has a 4 die set:

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And it says 44 Special and "Can Load 44 Magnum"
Looks like they are more for a 44 Special than a 44 Magnum...
That I suppose is fairly normal - probably about the same as the .357 Magnum and 38 Special...
Are there dies specifically for a 44 Magnum and is that a better way to go??
Or does it matter at all?? :dunno:

But - There is a 3 die set too - and the 4 die comes with a factory crimp die.
The 4 die set is the best way to go, isn't it??
I bought a 3 die set for my 45 and bought a factory crimp die after.
But I am thinking that with a heavy recoil like this revolver has - The crimp is a pretty necessary thing to have!!

It doesn't have to be Lee dies either - But I've had no problems with them and are a good "bang for the buck" as they say.

And this will be the 1st time I reload for a revolver here as well.

Just thought I'd see what you fellers think!! (-:

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Get the 4 die set. Remember that a revolver will usually use a roll crimp where your .45 ACP uses a taper crimp.

I reload quite a bit of revolver ammo for four calibers. The amount of crimp can make a difference in the accuracy. My 41 mag likes a hard crimp but my 38 special and 45 Colt like a light crimp. My 357 mag likes something in between.

I always like to crimp in a separate step though. If you have any questions you have my number.


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 Post subject: Re: Possibly - my 1st Revolver...
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:32 am 
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Scott is the resident revolver reloader. I only load for one caliber. But I concur, get the four die set. Revelvers NEED a roll crimp of some degree to reduce or prevent projectile setback or protrusion (more likely) during firing. The recoil instantly pushes back the firearm, the bullet rims are not necessarily tight up against the cylinder and even if they were the projectile itself is somewhat free floating despite whatever crimp. That heavy projectile will want to resist movement (physics) and stay where it is while the case moves backwards with the rest of the revolver. Worst case is a jammed cylinder due to the remaining projectiles being jammed up to the front and the cases jammed out the rear. There are other reasons too I just don't know all of them. Something about pressure spikes, forcing cones, etc.

Be aware that big guns with lots of recoil have big stresses placed on parts of the gun. Inspect the frame often; especially the top strap. For instance, my old Ruger security six was a .357 but they didn't recommend a constant diet of full power loads, it just couldn't take the stresses. The newer versions (GP's and SP's) are more robust.

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 Post subject: Re: Possibly - my 1st Revolver...
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Another vote for the 4 die set for several reasons.
In addition to the elongation that a good roll crimp will help prevent, Magnums
usually perform best with slower powders. Slower powders take advantage of
a fairly heavy roll crimp in that pico second longer that the bullet is held, allowing
pressure to build to the point where you get a complete burn of said powder.

Two GREAT powders for it are 296 and H110. Little gun (yeah, right lol) and 4227 are both good also
for the .44 mag.

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Powders, that can be another mess along with crimp. I've gone to Alliant 2400 for my Magnum powder and it's been great. Most accurate I've found for my 41 mag.

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 Post subject: Re: Possibly - my 1st Revolver...
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44 mag and 44 special are the same except for the length of the case and powder charge you only have to adjust the dies when you change from one caliber to the other...

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Like the .357-.38sp; same case diameter, different lengths...but that was mentioned already right? CRS :groan:

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Ok - You guys have come through with some great advice like you always do!!
I'll be ordering the 4-die set soon!!

I just ordered this:

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And 999 more just like it!! (-:

A box of a 1,000 - they're 240 Gr JSP bullets and they were $137.00 or .137 cents each :great:

I ordered them from a company that this one rather smart fellow around here told me about.
I used to use the plated lead bullets - But I can shoot these real jacketed bullets for the same price or less!!
So a big Thank You to my favorite Ex!! :mrgreen:

I also ordered the 4 die set, the shell plate and 5 hole turret for my Loadmaster.
I also got a 100 pcs of Starline brass too!!

Can't wait for all of it to get here!!

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Sounds like you are all set Jason :great:
I really need to learn reloading

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Yes Husk... you do. ;)

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Not so much learning how as just getting started. Buying the equipment you can live with (first) can run the gamut from lean to fat. There are more than plenty past threads covering those topics.

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I like the "Ruger only" loads.

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Those must be a little more potent than the Non-Ruger loads?? (-:

My dies and shell plate and turret plus 100 pieces of Starline brass are here!! Just have to pick them up at the post office today.
I always wanted to try Starline - I've heard both good and bad about them.

Tracking says the bullets will be here Friday - I got my doubts!! + it's Fed-Ex...

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