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OK, we all know I'm in the process of building a Kentucky style kit gun. This project is much more difficult than the shotgun stock was. I have the stock smooth now (to the dry touch anyway) but I'm getting aggravated trying to retain the sharp edges around the raised areas where the lock and side plates reside (around the outside edges, not the inletted right-angle edges). I've been using sanding blocks shaped as closely to the contours as I can make them but the top of the slope is getting blurred instead of staying crisp. :dunno: The original top is very close to finished grade so sanding it further to make the edges crisp might result in having to deepen the inletting. That would be entirely too much work...and outside my level of experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Creating a BP stock
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tape the edges?

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I'm having trouble visualizing that, but can you use a scraper?
My brother works wood, and a lot of times, he uses a scraper to smooth instead of sanding too much

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Or a file with controlled pressure on the strokes. Make it easy to keep a straight plane...

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I've thought about using tape but like a lot of my thoughts I don't act on them.. :twisted: :roflol: :roflol:

Scraping. I have started scraping now, just don't have a scraper with the right concave. All my scrapers are flat. :groan: I say 'all' ...hahaha, I mean my one. And it's not flat either. I use what I have just like always. So I use one of my sharpest knife blades to scrape. I used to have a box of broken glass but I finally threw it out some years ago. :neutral: I guess I could always break a bottle...

I tried a half round file but the profile just wasn't right. The biggest problem is the point at the ends of the raised areas. It is actually supposed to come to a point and blend in with the ridge that runs down the side of the grip. This creates a multi angled area with no straight lines. Right now I have blurred it badly and it sorta just rounds over. It's not past the point of no return I don't think.

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A die grinder with a carbide cutter??
Or maybe a Dremel tool??

Or screw the die grinder and Dremel too - Maybe a drill with a a carbide cutter in it?

I could be missing the point entirely - - I haint never dund what your doing there...

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 Post subject: Re: Creating a BP stock
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Good ideas. My concern is getting the sharp break at the edge and a good blend with no furrow at the toe. Basically...can my hand and eyesight use a powered tool to good advantage or will it wreck havoc with the project? Only trying will tell the tale I guess.

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Like Tolly said. You need a block under the sandpaper like when your sanding to a bondo body line on a car. Your hand can't do it. Looks pretty damn good so far. We are way too judgemental of our own work. Your doing a great job. Are you going to put a protective finish on it, or just stain and oil it?

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Thanks for reinforcing my desire to not use power tools. They can catch and ruin a LOT of work really quickly!

Never thought of dowels, I've been trying to roll sandpaper tightly into a dowel shape and use one end in the reverse curve. But I'm still going over the top edge... :cry: The problem is this is the first one I've done that was so poorly shaped from the factory. Honestly it's only the second one I've ever tried doing anyway. What I did was do it backwards. I sand the top of the in-letted areas first... I know better now. Now I have to back pedal to get those edges back. I can still take a small amount of material from the top during the final sanding but I want to keep it to a minimum. The last thing I want to do is leave the metal higher than the wood and trying to lower the metal creates other problems anyway.

I'm not much on fancy finishes, the shotgun stock I did I cut too many corners on. I never filled the pores, I wasn't careful with the leather stain, I got the wrong color leather stain... blah, blah, blah. Otherwise, I spent a lot of time on it. Mostly rubbing the poorly applied stain back off it. I have a bottle of tung oil. I applied about ten hand rubbed coats of that over the stain, I burned my hand doing it. Then I covered that with hand rubbed furniture paste wax. It didn't come out the way I wanted but it does look good. I was hoping to do better with this one.

I did refurbish my SKS stock when I got it. I wasn't happy with the way it turned out either. It's discouraging. I've never been much of a finish wood worker, I built onsite concrete form work, not much to that.

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While I definitely like Tung Oil, it's not what I'd use for a stock. Poor UV resistance (it flakes off from sunlight), poor water resistance (it spots, though easy to fix with Tung) and isn't quite as durable as I'd like.
I have been using a LOT of Birchwood Caseys gunstock finish on my knife handles and really like it! Very clear, very good shine and much tougher. JMHO

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While I definitely like Tung Oil, it's not what I'd use for a stock. Poor UV resistance (it flakes off from sunlight), poor water resistance (it spots, though easy to fix with Tung) and isn't quite as durable as I'd like.
I have been using a LOT of Birchwood Caseys gunstock finish on my knife handles and really like it! Very clear, very good shine and much tougher. JMHO


But it's period correct. Tung oil has been around for centuries. It has been used on fine and expensive furniture. Tung oil is supposed to be rubbed in, not on. There shouldn't be anything left on the surface to flake off but I'm no expert on it. You might be confusing it with tung oil varnish. Two different beasts. Tru-oil is also a possibility. :dunno:

Here is an excerpt from an article on a Canadian woodworking website devoted to debunking myths about tung oil. >>

"However, if you want to use oil, and you have some time to devote to the finish, pure tung oil is in a class by itself. There is no other drying oil that has the same resistance to water, mold, bacteria, yellowing, darkening, but offers strength and flexibility". -https://www.canadianwoodworking.com/get-more/tung-oil-debunking-myths

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I used tung oil on my Mini-14.
Several coats rubbed in followed by a couple coats of furniture wax.
It doesn't see a lot of use, but it still looks good
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I don't use power tools on wood... you cant put wood back if you goof and take too much off... metal is ok because you can weld it back up and try again, but not wood.

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I'd go with tung oil. I did the stock on my grandpa's 410 and the dark walnut stock is beautiful.

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