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Haven't done a thing to the stock all week. Need stuff I don't have and can't afford right now. :groan:

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Nothing much but nothing I WANT to spend money on right now. Another sheet or two of sandpaper is all.

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OK, what I came up with was what I already had at hand... I used an old knife with flat sides as a sanding block and the blade inside it was the serrated on one side type with clip point (I think that's what it's called) so I used it to scrape the concave back into shape with that...a LOT of scraping mind you. I sanded the flats with the sides of the aluminum knife used as a solid sanding block. One end of the knife had a re-curved end so that radius also was used to help finish the concave area. So far so good!

I started fitting the trigger guard... it's bent too short so I have to try to bend it so it's longer without breaking it. I'm not too familiar with the properties of brass/bronze (no idea right now which it is) so I don't how to bend it. I was trying to brute force it open with my arms and hands last night but these days two flies walking in opposite directions would have more force. :groan: I only need to gain about a 1/16" to 3/32". Too picky? Not if it's easy and easy is subjective to the observer.

Any advice on how to bend hard yellow metal?

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Any advice on how to bend hard yellow metal?

Gently?
I think I'd just put it in a vice and bend it just a little at a time
Gently

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 Post subject: Re: Creating a BP stock
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That was my first impulse too. I believe that if it's brass it will bend OK, if it's bronze it will not bend much at all, at least not easily. :groan:

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"little" leaves a lot of leeway! I can go with as little as a candle flame, or as big as a rosebud. I looked up some info on heating brass/bronze and most info is about marine fittings of various types such as cleats, props, etc. What I found out was that most cast yellow metal is bronze and forged yellow metal is brass. Brass is more inclined to bend easy, bronze not so much. That doesn't appear to mean bronze cannot be bent however.

The other thing I found was that the metallurgical analysis of the metal plays an important part in what it is; brass/bronze. Heat has little to no effect on it's hardness after cooling despite the manner (speed) of cooling (since there is no ferric material in it).

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Ferric. That's exactly the word in this context. But that ferric just means iron, which won't harden without carbon. It's a catch 22.

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That's true, but ferric alone is generally not put in softer metal compounds, is it?

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As a rule, no. The differences in properties make it (a) hard to combine, and (b) of little use in the addition of it.

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Well, I don't recall any updates on this projects recently. If I put them in another thread I don't remember, :groan:

Bummer! The yellow metal did not bend, it broke. :neutral: So now I have to buy a new trigger guard. About $14.50 not including the raping due to shipping ($5.95).

But I also need a new nose cap (maybe)>>
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For some reason the previous clicky won't play for me, the one below does. :dunno:
http://vid1216.photobucket.com/albums/d ... istol1.mp4

Anyway, I might just go with what I have; I have some horns I use to make spoons and powder horns from that I can make a spacer from that will fill that gap. Not sure if I will like the look however. Not sure how I will keep it in place either. Glue is out of the question. Maybe two small brads close to the center? The nose cap is hollow enough to accommodate them I think, even a couple small screws might work. :dunno:

Overall this kit sucks. The ramrod channel is cut off center, the inletting was slightly too big in spots, and the brass wasn't right. Now, a professional woodworker could glue on a sliver of wood along the side of the channel that would close it up and move it over some without it being too obvious...I am not that person. So my best bet is to make it wrong equally on both sides so it looks uniform. :groan: And closing the gap is just an obstacle, but the trigger guard is frustrating. It's just a good thing they sell these parts or the gun might never get finished. I spose I could try my hand at fabricating a steel guard. :dunno: But with my limited arsenal of tools, I doubt that would work very good. But then I wonder what tools they had when these guns were made originally? Folks with talent just up and designed and built these guns back in the 1700's in their work shops... :dunno: And I think...if they could do without electricity, then why can't I?

Here's another vid I made to send to the giver of the gun.

http://vid1216.photobucket.com/albums/d ... ckPics.mp4

Yup, I eat and work on guns at the same table...I just finished a plate of bacon and pancakes :whistle: when I took these vids late last night.

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I wish I had see this thread earlier, I have built several dozen ML rifles and pistols from scratch over the years.

That "yellow metal" is cast brass and because it was cast and air cooled it is brittle and snapped on you.

With brass you have to heat it with a torch or propane burner and dip it in water to make it soft and bendable.

Brass works just the opposite to steel, which hardens when quenched in water.

A new nose cap is not going to help you with that gap. The new one will be just like the old one. Those screws go through the cap, through the wood and into the bottom of the barrel. You also have pins holding the front section of the stock to the barrel, so there is no give if you have already drilled the pins.

Best to go to the hardware store and find a sheet of brass to make a shim to fill that gap. That or use wood filler and then stain the whole thing to hide the repair.


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Tincup wrote:
I wish I had see this thread earlier, I have built several dozen ML rifles and pistols from scratch over the years.

That "yellow metal" is cast brass and because it was cast and air cooled it is brittle and snapped on you.

With brass you have to heat it with a torch or propane burner and dip it in water to make it soft and bendable.

Brass works just the opposite to steel, which hardens when quenched in water.

A new nose cap is not going to help you with that gap. The new one will be just like the old one. Those screws go through the cap, through the wood and into the bottom of the barrel. You also have pins holding the front section of the stock to the barrel, so there is no give if you have already drilled the pins.

Best to go to the hardware store and find a sheet of brass to make a shim to fill that gap. That or use wood filler and then stain the whole thing to hide the repair.



Thanks for the tip on the tempering of yellow metal I'll use it with the new piece IF it is not bent correctly.

No pins holding the Kentucky stock, just the nose cap screws. Only the rearmost screw goes through wood however. If the front screw was supposed to then, again, the stock was cut wrong from the factory.

I did consider using a piece of brass to fill the gap but was concerned with how it would look...thinkin it would LOOK like a piece of brass shim stock added as an afterthought. That's why I was considering something with a bit more obvious contrast so it was plain that it was meant to be there. The actual horn I have is domestic dairy cattle not bison, this means it has a greenish tint to it. I know a few folks around here that raise bison however. Not sure how much they would get for a horn though, anything buffalo is pricey.

When I go down to the basement I'll drag a horn back up with me and take pictures of it. I seldom go down to the basement anymore so the spiders have taken over. :wow: :scared:

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If you want a horn spacer try one of the knife making supply companies. It is common spacer material for knife work.


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