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 Post subject: Started the dance with Anderson rifles
PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:49 pm 
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Well, the law of averages finally caught up with me. Everyone knows that I have voiced preferences for the 1:8 twist barrels that Anderson sells, I've used them in four or five builds with great results. BUT... my last build is giving me really terrible groups. I've tried several changes to eliminate outside influences with no changes in accuracy. So it was time to contact Anderson...here is my initial email:

I have purchased a number of your barrels, usually with stellar results, however this particular one I am having problems achieving an acceptable accuracy with compared to all the other ones that I have used. There is no readily visible deficiency. I have changed muzzle brakes and even removed it entirely to see if there was any difference, none was noted. This is on an build using a Del-Ton stripped lower and an Anderson stripped upper. A free-float handguard is used. Groups at 50 yards are 4 1/2\"-5\" with 55gr handloads that yield a 1\" group with the other two AR\'s that I have with the same barrel. It was purchased in October of 2015 but not assembled and fired until after deer season closed end of December. If there were any known production problems with barrels manufactured then I would greatly appreciate any help that you might be able to give me. Thank you for your time and efforts on this.

Today I received the following reply:
There's no malfunctions or defects we know of, we outsource the barrels and get a lot of compliments on them. I would try several different brands of ammo, some barrels are finicky.
Thanks, Tim

This gives me information that I wasn't aware of previously, namely that they outsource their barrels. I ran across another company that I might try as they offer a guarantee that their barrel will give sub-MOA accuracy on their 1:7 twist barrel, and since this one was intended on being my coyote rifle, will generally be shooting 68gr bullets...and their price is $122 shipped right now.

This was my reply back to Tim, we'll see where it goes from here.

I have tried different bullets, different powders, worked up ladder loads with each and also ran ZQ1 and Fedreal factory loads through it, all with the same results of 7"-8" groups at 100 yards shot off a Caldwell rifle rest. One of my other builds with that barrel will shoot 1" at 100 and the other one will shoot 2" at 100 and it only has a red dot for optics.

I'm not going to do a lot of work on this one to try and find out what the problem is, but it shoots like it either has a "booger" at the gas port that is damaging the projectile, or is oversize. I'm really eyeing that 1:7 for $122 though...

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 Post subject: Re: Started the dance with Anderson rifles
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For what they charge for those barrels - It wouldn't surprise me if they were made in china.

That being said - The last 3 AR's where I used that 16" 1:8 twist Anderson barrel I could get 1" three shot groups and 1-1/2 five shot groups with good factory ammo.

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One customer ordered 500 rounds of steel cased Russian ammo. I shot a group like I described above with the good factory ammo.
The Russian ammo shot this 5 shot group - This was the very next target after the above - just with the Russian ammo.

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One never even hit the target!!
Nice ammo... :neutral:

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Interesting info mo. I hope they can come to a resolution for you.

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Got this reply this morning:

Hi Bruce, you are out of the 30 day return policy, But I suspect there is something wrong with the barrel giving those group sizes. I would like to examine it so I will send a new barrel and a return shipping label for you to send the bad barrel back to me.

Thanks, Tim

And the shipping notification this afternoon. I thanked them for their "above and beyond" customer service of course, since I ordered this barrel back in October!

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jasonsch wrote:
For what they charge for those barrels - It wouldn't surprise me if they were made in china.

One customer ordered 500 rounds of steel cased Russian ammo. I shot a group like I described above with the good factory ammo.
The Russian ammo shot this 5 shot group - This was the very next target after the above - just with the Russian ammo.

One never even hit the target!!
Nice ammo... :neutral:



I've shot some halfway decent groups with Tulammo out of the AR's, never tried Wolf though. The Tulammo does shoot a lot better once I reload it though! :roflol:

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mogunner wrote:
Got this reply this morning:

Hi Bruce, you are out of the 30 day return policy, But I suspect there is something wrong with the barrel giving those group sizes. I would like to examine it so I will send a new barrel and a return shipping label for you to send the bad barrel back to me.

Thanks, Tim

And the shipping notification this afternoon. I thanked them for their "above and beyond" customer service of course, since I ordered this barrel back in October!


Its good to hear they took care of you, everybody sends out a bad product from time to time, its how they handle it that counts.

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Anderson has always been really good to me.
I ordered a bunch of stuff from them a while back, and they forgot the gas tubes I had ordered.

I emailed them and told them - even sent a picture of the box to show it arrived in fine shape.
I was placing another order and asked if they'd just ship them along with the next order.
And they did - No Problem, No questions asked!!

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New barrel arrived about an hour ago...already together but won't have the chance to break it in until Saturday. I did a bunch of parts swapping between the two AR's to get all the "long range" stuff onto the one that has already proven to be extremely accurate, so told the wife that if I "needed to shoot something" with an AR, I'd have to grab hers as it's the only one sighted in!

Of course I could grab the AK, or the 12 gauge, or a Mosin just as easily...

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Very glad they took care of it Mo!

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Took both rifles out today, I swapped all the "long range" stuff off the new build and put it on my old one that's already proven to be dead-nuts with both 55gr and 68grs. Sighted the big scope in and was able to put five in the bull after a few adjustments so called that good and went to the new build.

Did a few 'fire and clean" rounds then put the red dot on it and with just a bit of windage adjustments put 15 rounds into the center of an 8" black target at 50 yards, figure thats about as good as it'll get with that red dot on it. Jealous of the TRS25 that I put on the wife's, will have to watch for a sale on that one again. I've got the Barska 1x30IR on it now, it's not bad but the extra "crosshairs" on it just tend to cover up the target, I prefer just a single red dot.

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