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 Post subject: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:25 pm 
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please see the images below. Each rd was shot through a 4" barrel at a distance of 10 feet, shot into wet phone books tightly taped together. The ammo is Remington JHP, nothing fancy, but notice the results. Kinda makes me rethink carrying a 40 caliber as my primary. The tests are obviously not very scientific, but this really opened my eyes.
.45 shows excellent expansion and took a mean and nasty tumble through the mass while .40 shows very little expansion and took a very direct path to its stopping point, just shy of 5.5 inches. The .45 went in about 5 inches, but traveled approximately 7 in total because of the tumble.

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:59 pm 
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Not much beats a .45 for sheer tissue damage :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:03 pm 
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I would be comfortable with both calibers..... you might get better results out of a different brand of JHP on the .40

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:06 pm 
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I still plan to test some other brands of 40, but some of them are pretty spendy, and you are well aware, I'm CHEAP!

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 3:39 pm 
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I think if I was shooting .40 JHP out of a 4" barrel, they wouldn't be Remington.

Maybe it was a fluke? Try a few more, and see if any do better. It's only money, after all. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:23 pm 
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from what i see, i must be doing those "wet packs" all wrong... cause when i do it, i'm getting more like 10 - 15 inchs of penetration with hollow points and usually fmj fly all the way through the boxes lol.

i collect "free" news papers whenever i see them and just lay them in a box lined with a plastic trash bag. then keep filling it up and letting them soak.

i use 9mm. golden sabres have NEVER failed to expand in one of those packs... ever lol. they are my defense round of choice.

the 100 round remington value packs almost always expand also (out of a carbine) but never out of a ruger p95.


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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
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I think you should have shot at least 3 rounds of each to get a better control reference

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
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What would happen if a hole were drilled about 1/4" into a 9mm?
I'm thinkink about a 1/8 diameter drill bit.
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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
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No need to reinvent; here's one version:
http://www.forsterproducts.com/catalog. ... did=700226
results vary depending upon bullet construction.
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What would happen if a hole were drilled about 1/4" into a 9mm?
I'm thinkink about a 1/8 diameter drill bit.
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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
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in 40/10mm i prefer hornady XTPs at about 1100 FPS.

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
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in 40/10mm i prefer hornady XTPs at about 1100 FPS.

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 Post subject: Re: Notes on expansion .40 vs. .45acp
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you have to remember that sometimes the point of the bullet get's clogged with cloth and has very little expansion. I'd think the same thing as for phone books or news paper's. try some home made ballistic jell and see how that works IMHO :groan:

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Phat Mike wrote:
you have to remember that sometimes the point of the bullet get's clogged with cloth and has very little expansion. I'd think the same thing as for phone books or news paper's. try some home made ballistic jell and see how that works IMHO :groan:


Really? Homemade Ballistic Jell? Can you put up a link or instructions on how to do it?

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MechWolf wrote:
Phat Mike wrote:
you have to remember that sometimes the point of the bullet get's clogged with cloth and has very little expansion. I'd think the same thing as for phone books or news paper's. try some home made ballistic jell and see how that works IMHO :groan:


Really? Homemade Ballistic Jell? Can you put up a link or instructions on how to do it?

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