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 Post subject: Long Awaited Range Report
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 5:30 am 
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I finally made it out to the range with that 24" SS barreled upper and new NcStar scope today!!
I woke up this morning and the weather seemed decent - not cold, but sure as hell not hot!!
Frost warnings in the hills and mid thirties for lows - in another week it'll be June, right??
Weather man says more rain on the way this evening and lots more for Saturday evening...
So I figured I better make my move!!

To start with - we have "everything" ready to go!!
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I knew I had 3 sandbags... I finally found the other two!!
The wife sewed them up for me years ago - used the legs out of some old blue-jeans.

I headed out to the range and when I got there, the ef-ing wind picked up significantly... :roll:
I put up a target and parked my suburban 25 yards away.
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Looks further than that in the picture!!
And a good ol' South Dakota hail storm broke both my side mirrors last summer - in case you were wondering!!
Also busted windows in the house.
You know it's a bad hail-storm when you end up with hail on the living room floor!! :shock:

Anyway, with the wind like it was, I didn't wanna set up my big brass catcher on the hood.
I forgot to bring the small one that attaches to my AR with velcro straps... :roll:
So, I got in my suburban, punched the drivers-side electric window button, and adjusted the window to have the perfect height rest.
Took a few shots and used this as my brass-catcher:
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I did have one small problem right from the get-go...
The ammo I reloaded wouldn't cycle. It wouldn't come out of the mag right and not at all most times... :hmmm:
I knew why - I did the same damn thing the 1st time I reloaded for my other AR upper. I'm using the same lower for both.
What I did was have too long of an OAL - Book says 2.2 inches, I did 2.25 inches: 50 thousands longer.
I did that because leaving the bullet out closer to the rifling can help accuracy.
But sometimes I forget we're dealing with an AR - not a bolt action!! But still, a lousy 50 thousands....
I made sure they fit in the mag, which they did. But won't cycle right being too long.
I did that the 1st time with 10 rounds - but this time I did a 100 rounds!!
So I loaded them one at a time - no big deal - lesson learned 2wice now... :neutral:

Anyway, this was our 1st target:
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Each ring is a 1/2 inch - I was about 2-1/2 inches low to start with and pretty much right on horizontally.

I adjusted it so it was pretty much zeroed and put up another target.
I moved back to a 100 yards and took a couple shots and had 3 high hits... :hmmm:

So I moved up to 50 yards and had this target:
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The top three are the 100 yard shots - the rest are the 50 yard shots.

So I put up another target and shot a bunch more times from 50 yards.

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A nice group!! Remember, the wind is blowing worse all the time. It's shaking the suburban quite a lot!!

So finally, i back up to a 100 yards and hang a new target. The 1st hit is high so I adjust down again.
I ended up with this:
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Now this 100 yard target is a little spastic - But I'm telling you, it ended up being a steady 30 mph wind by now!!
With the suburban rockin' and my heart beat thumping - it was difficult to keep a steady hold.

I did set up 2 yellow 20 gauge shotgun shells and a few orange clay pigeon pieces.
The clay pigeon pieces and one 20 gauge shell went flying, but not the other...

I ended up shooting the whole 100 rounds I had reloaded!! Had a blast too!!
I went up to collect my target and this is what the other 20 gauge shell looked like:
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Hit that SOB 3 times!! :yes2:
It was just stuck in there a little more secure than the other one was.

I also took this picture just because I though it was cool:
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And, the smarter one that are reading this are probably shaking your head and thinking how stupid I am.
There is one other small lesson I apparently needed to learn again!!
What is it??

Well My 1st shots at the 25 yard target were right at 2-1/2 inches low.
Look at a ballistic chart with my bullets moving at 3100fps with a 25 yard zero...
where does it hit at 100 yards???
At a 100 yards - it hits 2.9 inches higher!!
So if it was hitting approximately 2.5 inches low at 25 yards - well at a 100 yards it hits 2.9 higher - which would be in the Bulls-eye!!!

So, I was pretty damn close to having a 100 yard zero right at the start... :stupid:

That laser bore sighter - if you send the laser through the barrel and sight it in...
That must get you awful damn close!!

Either way, I got to shoot my new target upper - it shoots good - and I had one hell of a lot fun!! :great:

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 Post subject: Re: Long Awaited Range Report
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Looks great :great:
Thanks for the report.
How's the eye relief on that scope?

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 Post subject: Re: Long Awaited Range Report
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:51 am 
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Looks great :great:
Thanks for the report.
How's the eye relief on that scope?


It's an NcStar 6-24x50 scope with a 30mm tube.
1st scope I ever owned with open target turrets and 1/8 M.O.A. per click adjustment - which is cool!! More precise adjustment.
It also has a Side Parallax Adjustment Knob, which is way easier to adjust an I like it!!

Husker, I'd say it's a little better than most "Cheap" scopes. :D
And, I'll have to say - so far I really like it!!
And for the money, I really, really like it!! :thumb:

New, they can be had for$120-$130 on the net - Usually $150 in a store.
And NcStar has outstanding customer service, and a good warranty...
I bought this one used and the Side Parallax Adjustment quit working.
I sent just the scope in to NcStar with $10, and they sent a complete new replacement scope, in the box with the rings, wrench, Scope Covers & batteries!!
Thought that was damn good of them. :great:

So I had a brand new scope & the other things, for a used scope price!!!
$75 for the scope and $10 to cover shipping on the repair.

Anyway, my damn know-it-all in-town SIL :whip: thinks the scopes on an AR should be mounted more "forward" than I like.
He must look at pictures on the internet or something... :dunno:

It's all my fault! I put it on and I got this one a little more forward than I like - But it's working out just fine.
I just click that adjustable stock one click shorter and it's good!!

Anyway, to answer your question - Eye relief is pretty good up to about 18-20 power.
Higher than that, you have to get closer to it, and it's a little tougher to stay "centered" with it.
But still very use-able!! Easy to adjust the focus!!
And a shotgun shell looks pretty big - even at a 100 yards!!

25 & 50 yard shots were on 12 power and the 100 yard shots all on 24 power.
All the while - the gale force winds keeping me a' rockin' and bouncing.

I want to shoot it more and get familiar with the range finding reticle.
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and I suppose a guy can twirl those open "target turrets" for range adjustment too...
So I think a Laser Rangefinder is in my pretty near future too - a Leupold RX-1000i is a fine candidate....

Since :worthless:
Here is a sample of what's on the backside of those Targets I print out...

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I drew that whole SOB at work - from the Warning Labels and ID tags - to the bigger parts - and assembled it all on the 'puter...
Fascinating, what I'm shooting holes through here!! :P

Next, I'll clean that Target AR and see how dirty all the new parts are - especially the barrel...

Sorry for the long reply - Some people just like to talk about their stuff!! ;)
This upper and scope are all new - the most new gun stuff I've had for myself in a long time!

And I just enjoy shooting - rifles or pistols - They're all great!! :whistle:

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:06 pm 
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Nice to see yo finally get to shoot that thing bud! I wanna see more when it's not windy and you get it tweaked in!

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 Post subject: Re: Long Awaited Range Report
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:45 am 
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Ex - after the wind, we had another 2 days worth of a gentle rain!!
Water running everywhere... Glad I live on a hill and have a relatively new steel roof.
Farmer and Ranchers are giddy!! Rubbing their hands together thinking about how much they're gonna make this year...

Supposed to be crappy and gloomy for a while longer.
When it dries up - Then I'll be back out there!!!

I have a question to pose - I had a problem with the feeding.
Actually, rounds wouldn't feed at all from the magazine.

I had the OAL a little long - but they still fit in the mag...
But I thought the longer OAL was the problem - and maybe it is.

But, being Norwegian, slowly, this dawned on me...
This longer barreled AR has a "rifle length" gas system.
I thought it seemed "softer" than my Carbine lengthen upper.

I loaded the next 100 rounds with a 1/2 grain more powder.
Maybe a little more pressure is needed to get this thing to reload it's self!!
I'll have to do some more investigating on that...

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 9:58 pm 
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Time to set up a chronograph and work up a load for the rifle.

I zero mine at 50 yards, this gives me about a 1.6" high shot at 100 yards, which is exactly two marks up on my reticle, and hits the mark again at 200 yards which is more than likely a longer shot than I'll ever have the ability to shoot here in Missouri.

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To bad we don't live closer Jason, we could go in on a chronograph. I know I've been wanting one for a while.


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I bought the F1 chronograph off Walmart.com for $80, free shipping to store. Haven't had any problems with it at all. You can make the remote switch for it with a headphone plug and a momentary switch instead of paying the crazy price that the manufacturer wants for it.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/F1-Chronograph/4382668

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I was thinking about trying one of these:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/896627 ... hronograph

This one is a little high priced!!

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/628777 ... hronograph

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I've heard a lot of good things about the F1. It has moved up on my priority list lately.


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I’d opt for the rabbit ears type as you can use it with anything. Doesn't have to mount to the front of your gun.

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When I got mine, I set it up on the picnic table in the back yard and shot my Grand-dad's old Slavia .177 pellet rifle over it to check it out, lol...the thing is older than I am and still slings them pellets at just under 400FPS.

I set up a target and shoot a few rounds to make sure my scope hasn't crept off, then set up the chronograph in front of the target using a camera tripod, then just shoot at the target as usual. Barring complete operator error, there's pretty well no chance of shooting the chrony that way. Pistols are a bigger danger to them, but I shoot off the front portion of my Caldwell rest to reduce the possibility of taking out the chronograph as much as possible.

If you do manage to shoot one of the "rabbit ears", the bamboo skewers sold in Walmart are pretty much a direct replacement...

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Thanks for posting about your chronograph - I'm always interested in others' experiences and opinions.

I need to buy a chronograph but dither about which to purchase.

What I really want:

http://www.mylabradar.com/#FAQ

But so far it's vapor ware and if it ever becomes available it'll probably be too expensive for me to justify.

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I have a Chrony F1 permanently mounted on a camera tripod... cheap and easy and seems accurate.

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The Chrony F1 is what I've used when available, and what I would buy, if I were to buy one. Good quality and as versatile as they get.

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