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Its a Croatia php mv almost looks like Beretta 92 and Walther P38 smashed together.

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Country: Germany
Overall Length: 10.0 in
Barrel Length: 4.4 in
Weight: 26.5 oz
Caliber: 7.63 mm
Rifling: 4 grooves, RH twist
Capacity: 5 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 1,100 ft/sec

Although the Bergmann 1896 model worked fairly well, it did not gain real popularity, primarily because it was less effective than the Mauser which came on the market at about the same time. Apart from small, pocket arms, it was clear that by then the main requirement for self-loading pistols would be for military use.

As these pistols were required to fire a more powerful cartridge, it was necessary that they would fire with the breech locked. If this was not done, the cartridge case would be pushed out of the chamber when the gas pressure was still high and, unsupported by the walls of the chamber, it was likely to rupture.

So in 1897, Bergmann patented a pistol of the type shown here. In this design the barrel and bolt were locked together at the instant of firing and remained so during the first 0.25 inch of recoil. A cam in the frame then forced the bolt slightly sideways and unlocked it from the barrel, which then stopped. The bolt continued to the rear, cocking the hammer, and then came forward, taking a round from the magazine, chambering it, locking on to the barrel, and forcing it back to its forward firing position.

The magazine was a detachable box, incorporating its own platform and spring. However, the pistol could also be loaded through the top of the frame by means of a charger. Much to Bergmann's disappointment, no country adopted this arm, although several experimented with it

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Country: Italy
Overall Length: 9.5 in
Barrel Length: 6.1 in
Weight: 39.5 oz
Caliber: 9 mm
Rifling: 6 grooves, RH twist
Capacity: 20 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 1,230 ft/sec
The Beretta Model 93R is a selective-fire machine pistol based on its popular semi-auto sibling, the Beretta Model 92. It was requested by the Security Commission of Italy during the 70's as a weapon built to fight against the increase of world terrorism at that time. The 'R' stands for 'Raffica' which means burst in Italian.
A selector switch on the left-rear side of the slide allows automatic fire at about 1100 rounds per minute in three-round bursts for each pull of the trigger, or standard single-fire.
Unlike the Beretta 92, the trigger action of the 93R is only single-action. This is because the double-action mechanism on the 92 design had to be removed to accommodate the automatic burst mechanism.
There is a fold down grip in front of the trigger guard and an extendable steel shoulder stock which can be attached to the rear of the butt. The basic design is that of the Beretta Model 92 but with a reinforced slide and extended barrel with a muzzle brake. The 20-round magazine extends some distance below the bottom of the butt.



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'Raffica': Translation; Gust
Dictionary: feminine :rofl: ( plural -che) gust; di mitragliatrice burst
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Its a Croatia php mv almost looks like Beretta 92 and Walther P38 smashed together.


It is. It's designed as a bastard. I have one, it has an absolutely horrendous double action trigger pull, but the single action is like buttery softness. Strange. The hammer spring is large enough to hold one corner of my Chevy up. :shock: I'd guess it's near twenty pounds :whistle: :funny: and feels like gravel is in it. It's way to complicated to take apart at my stage of experience. I've oiled and worked it a lot dropping the hammer on my thumb and it's improving, but not much. :(

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I kinda like this thread but it's getting harder and harder to find stuff. If you guys have neat pics and don't have time to post them I'd be glad to do it for you. We can set an up email transfer. You would think within history it would be endless but I'm finding it's not.

So if you have the time and have a pic. toss it up here.
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I for one would like to say that I really enjoy looking at the unusual guns that you find for us Jim. I hope you will keep doing it for us :)

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“UNWIN & RODGERS. SHEFFIELD. EXP’L CUTLASS No.4.” are the handsomely lettered markings filling almost the full length of the 5 inch octagon barrel which has a very broad, single edge (of the Bowie type blade and with a 5 inch “false edge”) on the underside of its barrel; that blade is actually made integral with the iron trigger guard and knuckle guard (identical to that of the “U.S. Elgin” pistol). The entire iron frame, the hammer and butt cap with its hinged cap box are beautifully engraved in the most delicate fancy scroll and floral engraving with matching engraved designs at breech end of barrel. Metal is exc.; an overall even, age brown patina showing only very light wear. Markings and mechanically exc.+. Extremely fine, delicately checkered long curved walnut handle with light wear exc. with an oval silver inlay on backof hammer; unusual narrow “X” shaped carved initial in center of handle. Lacks only the narrow iron belt hook affixed to left side of frame; (very easily replaced).

This unique CUTLASS PISTOL IS A TRIPLE RARITY: (1) for collectors of knife-pistols; (2) for collectors of experimental firearms; (3) FOR BOWIEKNIFE COLLECTORS!!..$12,500

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Bona-fide proof there is a Santa Claus! Why make an expensive gun for someone that doesn't exist??

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Palm pistol made in France from the 1800's No more info it.


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Looking like something out of an old Flash Gordon movie, the TKB-022 was an experimental Soviet assault rifle back in the 1960s. It fired a 7.62 mm round and its housing was a hard plastic, unusual for the times.

The Soviet military tested various versions of this rifle for several years, but eventually passed on the design. Why? Who knows? Perhaps the weapon was just too unusual looking for the Soviet brass. Or maybe it was because the traditional Soviet weapon of choice, the AK-47, was just too good a weapon to let drop. The answer probably lies in some secret Russian files somewhere.

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Before the famous Luger, there was the Borchardt C-93. For all its impracticalities, this ungainly-looking sidearm was actually the first semi-automatic pistol marketed in Europe and one of the first semi-auto pistols made in any numbers throughout the world in the 1890s.

Chambered for a 7.65X25mm Borchardt cartridge, this handgun had massive recoil and just wasn’t very easy to use. All that bulk also added to difficulties of handling and storing, even simply holstering.

However, without the Borchardt there might never have been the Luger or the Mauser pistol. George Luger made a study of the Borchardt, improved upon it drastically and came up with the now famous Luger pistol. As for the Borchardt and the Mauser, the 7.65X25mm Borchardt cartridge played a big influence on the Mauser C96 pistol which fired a 7.65X25mm Mauser cartridge.

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Jarre Harmonica Pistol

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This oddity can bring a hefty collection at auction houses nowadays, usually at least $10,000 if the gun is in decent condition. Originally this handgun was built in the 1800s in the hopes of being one of the first multi-round weapons. It was, but it’s obvious just looking at the gun that it wasn’t very practical. The revolver stood out. Thank Sam Colt. The Jarre wasn’t the only harmonica pistol of its day, but it’s probably the best-known. It fired .38 rounds.

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My over riding question is how does an experimental gun maker/designer decide on a caliber? :dunno: I mean engineering-wise? Bore a tube to some desired size, fill it with some desired amount of some type of gunpowder and hope you don't blow the shop up? Like back in the 1800's. Were the gunsmiths of the day ALL educated metallurgical engineers? From inception, to design, to implementation, why were more of them not killed doing experiments?

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My over riding question is how does an experimental gun maker/designer decide on a caliber? :dunno: I mean engineering-wise? Bore a tube to some desired size, fill it with some desired amount of some type of gunpowder and hope you don't blow the shop up? Like back in the 1800's. Were the gunsmiths of the day ALL educated metallurgical engineers? From inception, to design, to implementation, why were more of them not killed doing experiments?


I would guess the testing part would be for the new guy to try and shoot it first. Only makes sense to start with a need, then the most workable caliber, then action, then add the bell and whistles latter. Probably used or stole most ideas that others already had out there.
Richard Gatling was a doctor but from and family of inventors. Maybe it's a trait in some families.

I dunno I thinking of inventing a chia Waltham that you water and it grows a beard. :roflol: :roflol:

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My over riding question is how does an experimental gun maker/designer decide on a caliber? :dunno: I mean engineering-wise? Bore a tube to some desired size, fill it with some desired amount of some type of gunpowder and hope you don't blow the shop up? Like back in the 1800's. Were the gunsmiths of the day ALL educated metallurgical engineers? From inception, to design, to implementation, why were more of them not killed doing experiments?


I would guess the testing part would be for the new guy to try and shoot it first. Only makes sense to start with a need, then the most workable caliber, then action, then add the bell and whistles latter. Probably used or stole most ideas that others already had out there.
Richard Gatling was a doctor but from and family of inventors. Maybe it's a trait in some families.

I dunno I thinking of inventing a chia Waltham that you water and it grows a beard. :roflol: :roflol:


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