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 Post subject: Building an evil black rifle...doesn't look evil to me
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:22 pm 
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like a good deal->
https://www.stagarms.com/stripped-lower-receiver-with-lower-parts-kit-bundle/?utm_campaign=Email+Blasts&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=32955130&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8oSLSYhaUu0kjzCIjr3lz-0f9BLbmUUslfArUzVfIH6c9xNCfXuHPAbja6-V0ASLbJq7Sz2aHjw5dIVqTNoRONZN2-wQ&_hsmi=32955130

It'll actually be $155.00 because I'm a southpaw rifle shooter so I'll be getting the ambi-safety selector. This will be a long term project depending on many things. I have a lot of research to do building these things. I have some detailed articles already from Brownells and other places though. Things like the receiver block thingy that fits up into the mag well to clamp in a vise to make life easier are the things I'm not sure about. :dunno: But those are bridges I'll cross as I come to them.

Regardless, this one is called mi-spec with small pins...is that good or bad when it comes interchangeability? With the ambi setup I would like to be able convert from right hand to left easily. :dunno:

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The early Colt's were the only ones who used the large pins so you'll be good to go.

It's a decent enough price for a Stag Arms, but you can do better if you aren't that particular about the name. Check out slickguns.com for deals. I also use fatboytactical and joeboboutfitters, they run some great deals pretty often.

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I have communicated with both fatboytactical and joeboboutfitters in an ffl only forum... both are good guys and I wont hesitate to use them. some of the bigger dealers and parts suppliers are real dicks.

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Tom's tactical I think it is, runs some good specials too, that's where I got my last upper.

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Well, I took Mo's suggestion and looked at the lowers from Fatboy's. I bought this-> 1 x Anderson Mfg AM15 Stripped Lower Receiver (Anderson Mfg AM15) $48.95+$10 S&H No lower kit yet, that will be next month I guess. I want/need an ambi-select kit, so I still might go with Stag for that because they are good with southpaw rifles, unlike most of the rest. I just mentioned that to Jason concerning that about that for that... :shock: :dunno: :groan:

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You can buy an ambi-safety pretty cheap on it's own.

Do NOT buy a lower parts kit from CenterMass Tactical. While I did eventually get my problem with them sorted out, if I didn't have the experience building AR's that I do, I would have ended up with a rifle with a horrendous trigger pull and no idea why. The hammer in the kit I received from them was out of spec on one side, which immediately bent the hammer springs when installed. I also ran into this in a couple kits that I bought from Rousch Sports, and while the hammers did get replaced by them along with the springs, it's the first thing I look at now in the kit. I'd buy an Anderson's or Palmetto LPK in order to make sure it was kosher, and STILL would check the spring lugs on the sides of the hammer to make sure they were correct.

I use these guys for most of my small parts, they run some kick-ass specials pretty often. I got my dust cover assembly, forward assist parts and a charging handle for $30, free shipping on everything. Also bought the 15" quadrail and low profile gas block from them.

http://outdoorsportsusa.com/

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Thanks Mo!!

Looks like they have some excellent prices!!

I enthusiastically punched the "become a Dealer" button, but the $1,500 minimum is a bit steep for me... )-:

Maybe I should try to start making money with this gun business... :thinkin: :hmmm:

Nah - That wouldn't be any fun would it?? :dunno:

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Thanks guys!

New question- IS there a difference between left-hand and right-hand lowers? If there is then it's too late for me. This build will end up being my wife's regardless of whether she wants it or not! :twisted:

The reason I ask is because RRA says their left-t model upper is only compatible with their left hand lower. :dunno: Never heard of such a thing but that's not surprising since I NEVER wanted anything to do with an AR before. Nevertheless, as I've mentioned, I want to make a convertible rifle by simply switching the upper. Is that doable? :hmmm: :thinkin: :dunno:

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Just use an ambi-safety and charging handle, no reason to pay the extra money for a lefty upper. That way you can avoid proprietary BS like RR is telling you.

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Thanks again.

I've been watching some YouTube and doing more reading so I THINK I have a better handle on this build an AR thing. Iraqveteran8888 has some good build videos. Ray there makes it look as easy as eating tender steak. :dunno: Now I need to do is stock my tool arsenal up with everything he uses and I'll be set. :huh: $1000 worth of tools to build a $600 rifle...makes sense. Maybe in the future because I do like to build things... :thinkin:

It's Tuesday, my lower is in at the FFL, I won't be able to get to him til Friday...bummer! Today is shot because I have to leave for work in a few and he closes before I get off, tomorrow is cutting hay, Thursday is driving to the city to collect my wages from the party bus and work that night driving activity bus for school, so Friday it is, unless the hay is ready to square bale or the round baler guy comes. Saturday I have to drive the party bus, last weekend I drove for 17 straight hours. 17 x $20hr = $340 for one day work. At this rate I should be making about what I made at my construction job in a 40 hour week... :neutral: Feast or famine.

And I want to build a gun in my "spare time" plus a friend gave me a black powder pistol to finish inletting and build. :shock:

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No need for $1000 worth of tools unless you literally own nothing at all. My brass hammers that I use for firearms are made out of brass fittings, for example. A Tee connector, short piece of steel pipe for a handle, wrapped in electrical tape, and a plug in each side of the Tee.

I use this wrench: $18
https://www.amazon.com/Sports-AR15-Comb ... =AR+wrench

Upper vise block: $15
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NO-M-A-R-WHT-15 ... XQlbVSGQ2w

3/32" roll pin punch for the bolt catch pin: $8
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEKTON-66063-3- ... Sw3ydVo2Fw

I use a pair of soft vise jaws for when I'm installing the buffer tube and MANY other things in my other projects as well. $17

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Plastic-Magne ... Sw3ihXTH7K

A torque wrench is a good idea. I torque my barrel nut to 35 ft. lbs. then back it off, then retighten, repeat about four times before taking it to 35 ft. lbs again. If the gas tube doesn't line up at that torque then I tighten the nut until it does. Never had any need for a shim, all of my barrel nuts have lines up well below max torque.

If you don't have a vise, then yes you'll need one or borrow one, the bigger the better. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head but I'm sure someone will chime in if I've forgotten anything.

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Yep, doesn't take a ton of tools. I have a different upper vice block, a mag well vice block I pretty handy too.

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I just use an old GI magazine if needed.

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it looks like the idea of this -> https://geissele.com/ar15-m4-armorer-s-package.html out of stock and expensive but I can see the benefits of the reaction rod. I believe it's named wrong though because it is NOT a reaction rod but a simple barrel holder it seems from the youtube vid I watched on it. :dunno: :thinkin: A reaction rod would be an active part of the torquing process.

It still seems better than holding the receiver itself. Maybe find a ATV axle with the correct spline count and cut it to fit. I can also have my local welding/machine shop taper a rod to the correct dimensions and I can cut the splines in myself. :hmmm:

Regardless, I have most of whats needed or I'll get what I don't have. I don't have roll pin starters or punches and I have always needed them for many other projects. I have a ton of pin punches however.
My vise is an eight inch round shaft multi-position plumbers style vise. It'll work good. I've also heard that a little whittling on a hardwood block makes for a great mag well holder. The upper vice block is the thing I would need to buy but would likely buy all of it due to time constraints and the very real possibility of building others after this one. ;) Besides, I like tools.

I'm trying to decide on a barrel now. Right handed or ambi extension. 1/7, 1/8 or 1/9 twist. :thinkin: Leaning towards the 1/8 or 1/9 twist with ambi extension. Still need to figure out the difference between the right hand and ambi extension. Seems the barrel should be clocked to the lower the same regardless. Unless it is a matter of how the BCG or bolt interacts with the extension. :dunno:

I haven't settled on a LPK yet. I can get the basic kit and go stupid on the specifics like the trigger group, ambi selector, bolt release, mag catch system, and so forth. It would really be easy to spend over $200 just for those three items or I can get each piece one at a time (another stupid). An ambi charge handle is a given.

If I get a complete upper I could eliminate all the previous choices :thumb: . It would take the fun out of the build I think though.

Those are not all the choices I am looking at, I'm also considering the 7.62x39 version, mid length gas system versus carbine, and stock type. :groan: It is becoming clear that Killary is causing another massive shortage in the markets. Everyone is still out of almost everything. :roll:

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May we always realize the cost of our freedom. We can never repay them, but the very least we can do is uphold the ideals that they died protecting and honor them in the choices we make each day.

”If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison
It's gettin close boys. The time is near.

The greatest RE-productive force is human selfishness (Say NO! to population growth!).

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When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets. --unknown

Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

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Randy, let's meet somewhere and you can use my tools and vice blocks, I won't need them for quite a while.

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