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 Post subject: Missed the Mahan Sight
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:14 pm 
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Sadly I got into the Hi Point pistols a little to late and missed the chance to get the Mahan Sight for my 380. Does anyone know of another sight or willing to part with one of theirs? So far I've got new grips, Joey Trigger, and soon custom engraving done just need a better rear sight.....


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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:11 pm 
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Rear sight is certainly one of the two weak points of HP. Rear sight and mags... Mags can be solved easily. Rear sight is an issue now that troll has resigned from making them... At one time he offered to
sell the idea and drawings to MOM. Wish she would have picked it up!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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Did he stop for good? http://mahansights.com/ said he will be back in 2016. Maybe if someone makes a group buy it will justify his time to make some more.

EDIT: Oh, I just read viewtopic.php?f=29&t=17929. Nevermind. :(

I can see his point.


I did get one for my C9 though.


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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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He still may change his mind. Talked to him two nights ago and he kinda indicated he misses doing it. Had fun.
I know he's been looking at a little locally made mill that could put much more of the work in his hands rather than
subbing out. But then, the mill is an investment. I'll keep buggin him and see if he's decided anything for sure yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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Use this until you can afford one made in America...
http://yongyuchang.en.made-in-china.com ... chine.html

Mr. Mahan will probably never have anything to do with me from now on... :(

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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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Jeemeneez! That's cheap for what look to be a full sized mill. They want that much just for a freeking forge if you buy one...

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Attributed to Ex and he'll take credit for anything he can get!

"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing."
Attributed to Edmund Burke, though it's source cannot be proven.

"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"
Alexander Hamilton

Sorry to see you go Dean. Never enough time and it makes
us all realize just what being mortal is. You have been a true friend to me
and I will miss you every day.



"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government
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Not having Windows on your computer is like
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If the mentally deficient are not allowed to own guns then why should they be allowed to make gun laws?


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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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Yeah, I just read all of the bad news now after trying to reach Mahan via several methods. I'm thinking that if he doesn't intend to sell them anymore, or sell the prints etc. to someone else, that he should take the website down.
It's a bit deceptive by advertising something on a website without saying anything about when they may be available again, or that the operation has been shut down.
A little common courtesy maybe?


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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:57 pm 
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Lighten up with the deceptive accusations bud! It's all still up in the air. It's not a go, but it's not shutdown either. David has built ans sold MANY of his sights to MANY happy customers! That's why
folks are STILL talking about them. Do YOU have $3500 just laying around to make a batch that takes a year to recoup the investment, and only make $100-$200 on the $3500 invested? And that's not
counting the 100 or so hours (for basically free) to makes the other parts needed for it and assemble them all?

Show "A little common courtesy maybe?". David has probably another 150 hrs into trying to source new/better tooling and processes just this year so YOU can buy a sight that he doesn't make any money on.
You want to buy the plans and copyright and take over? Just say yes and I'll present it to him...

He has also tried in the past to see if MOM wanted to buy the plans and offer the sights as a factory product. At the time (old management), they weren't interested. David has been pursuing all options to get these
back into production for a long time and has another, even more substantial amount of time invested just in this.

Bottom line, to start making accusations of being deceptive or discourteous when you know nothing about the process, is discourteous. And there has been no deception!

I'll leave it at that.

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"Is my HP my favorite gun? No... Is it the BEST value? Very likely. Will it work when you need it to go bang? I'd bet my life on it."
Attributed to Ex and he'll take credit for anything he can get!

"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing."
Attributed to Edmund Burke, though it's source cannot be proven.

"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"
Alexander Hamilton

Sorry to see you go Dean. Never enough time and it makes
us all realize just what being mortal is. You have been a true friend to me
and I will miss you every day.



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them."

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I never had any of his sights, so no idea what all he had set up for their design. I don't have the money to buy his stuff outright but I might be able to come up with some sort of plan for subbing some of what he needs as far as mill work, etc. My mill ain't fancy but it works well for me on my sight tools but I'm unsure if it's precise enough for what is needed for the sights.

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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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Ex_ISP wrote:
Lighten up with the deceptive accusations bud! It's all still up in the air. It's not a go, but it's not shutdown either. David has built ans sold MANY of his sights to MANY happy customers! That's why
folks are STILL talking about them. Do YOU have $3500 just laying around to make a batch that takes a year to recoup the investment, and only make $100-$200 on the $3500 invested? And that's not
counting the 100 or so hours (for basically free) to makes the other parts needed for it and assemble them all?

Show "A little common courtesy maybe?". David has probably another 150 hrs into trying to source new/better tooling and processes just this year so YOU can buy a sight that he doesn't make any money on.
You want to buy the plans and copyright and take over? Just say yes and I'll present it to him...

He has also tried in the past to see if MOM wanted to buy the plans and offer the sights as a factory product. At the time (old management), they weren't interested. David has been pursuing all options to get these
back into production for a long time and has another, even more substantial amount of time invested just in this.

Bottom line, to start making accusations of being deceptive or discourteous when you know nothing about the process, is discourteous. And there has been no deception!

I'll leave it at that.


Ex, that's my point, I'd love to be one of his MANY happy customers.

Yeah, I understand the costs and investment of time. (I've had and lost a business) It's plain to see that this was a labor of love on his part. Plus the design and manufacturing excellence are quite apparent in the photos.

But post something, anything, on the website. If there was something there to let the potential buyers know what's going on, we wouldn't be having this "conversation".

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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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He is by no means able to edit his website... it was thrown together by the host company. Editing it to reflect a stagnant, perhaps or perhaps not, end of the line is beyond his ability on the web.
I know he has been working Fridays and Saturdays most of the time, at a machine shop that he pays dues to use, to try and keep the project alive... to make pennies on the dollar. It's a service not
an income. As Dave is a personal friend, I'm sensitive to accusal of deception on this topic. There are lots out there that would love to be a customer but it's not there until it's there.

I wish he had 500 sets available as I know they would go... eventually. But is the investment worth it? No. Is the time worth it? No. It's been a service that he have hundreds of unpaid hours into.
Forgive me if I'm sensitive to this issue but Dave is a true friend and good guy that are rare in this life and I know the effort he has put into this trying to make it work.

For me, if I'm going to spend as much time AND money on a project like the sights, there has to be a payoff in the future. This project is years old and the income is still a pittance of the effort.
Yet still he has been spending time pursuing possibilities to make it work ans have a superior sight for our HP's. So accusations of deception for sure hit me wrong.

I would love to see it happen tomorrow, but it can only (if at all since situations have changed) happen if it happens. That's the best I can tell you. I'm not sidestepping any answer but
it's the simple facts. I update this and other threads as I get news. That's all I can do.

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"Is my HP my favorite gun? No... Is it the BEST value? Very likely. Will it work when you need it to go bang? I'd bet my life on it."
Attributed to Ex and he'll take credit for anything he can get!

"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing."
Attributed to Edmund Burke, though it's source cannot be proven.

"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"
Alexander Hamilton

Sorry to see you go Dean. Never enough time and it makes
us all realize just what being mortal is. You have been a true friend to me
and I will miss you every day.



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 Post subject: Re: Missed the Mahan Sight
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Ex - Shouldn't he be able to edit his website?
If he would add a page, I think that would help a lot!!

I even have my own website at one time - crappy it was - But I set it up myself and controlled the content.
And it wasn't really all that hard to do or expensive either.

If Mr. Mahan can't edit his website, that can't be good!!
What if he comes out with the next greatest site for my Hi-Point??
How would he be able to show us and tell us about it?
Well, maybe here!! (-:

Has Mr. Mahan thought about having some investors??
What if I finance the thing - would he share the few pennies on the dollar he makes?
I actually can't afford to finance it - but I thought I'd ask the question!!

And maybe that's too much of a hassle - answering to investors.
And if he's like me - and I think like you too..
He wants to do it himself!!! :great:

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I mentioned in another thread that I tried something similar so I feel for the guy. I bought an AutoCAD program (today there are sketch up programs for free), bought a square column mill and added a DRO so I could make a clamp on base and indicator for converting cheap digital calipers into a height gauge. The amount of hours I spent attempting to make one part was astronomical. Standing in a room, by myself with a machine...after working all day was nuts. And for what? I should be spending time with my grandkids or watching a football game. Thank God I didn't have a website so I could sit in a room by myself and update the world about my slow progress!
I sent him a text asking him (if he had time) to mill replacement extractors for the Sccy instead of the stamped steel one that comes on the gun. If I have the equipment, why not make it myself? Because after working all day I'd rather sit on the couch and watch BarnOwl videos. If he makes the sights ...I want at least two. If he's at home watching "Last Man Standing", I don't want him tarred and feathered. I get it.

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Ex_ISP wrote:
He is by no means able to edit his website... it was thrown together by the host company. Editing it to reflect a stagnant, perhaps or perhaps not, end of the line is beyond his ability on the web.
I know he has been working Fridays and Saturdays most of the time, at a machine shop that he pays dues to use, to try and keep the project alive... to make pennies on the dollar. It's a service not
an income. As Dave is a personal friend, I'm sensitive to accusal of deception on this topic. There are lots out there that would love to be a customer but it's not there until it's there.

I wish he had 500 sets available as I know they would go... eventually. But is the investment worth it? No. Is the time worth it? No. It's been a service that he have hundreds of unpaid hours into.
Forgive me if I'm sensitive to this issue but Dave is a true friend and good guy that are rare in this life and I know the effort he has put into this trying to make it work.

For me, if I'm going to spend as much time AND money on a project like the sights, there has to be a payoff in the future. This project is years old and the income is still a pittance of the effort.
Yet still he has been spending time pursuing possibilities to make it work ans have a superior sight for our HP's. So accusations of deception for sure hit me wrong.

I would love to see it happen tomorrow, but it can only (if at all since situations have changed) happen if it happens. That's the best I can tell you. I'm not sidestepping any answer but
it's the simple facts. I update this and other threads as I get news. That's all I can do.


Ex, Dave is a fortunate man to have a friend such as yourself. A rare commodity for sure. There aren't too many people that will jump out there to defend a friend's honor any more, so kudos to you.

Well, I guess that if it's meant to happen, then it will. (hopefully it will & one day David will be recognized for his efforts) I'd be one of the first in line with the $$ in my hand.

I'll be watching for your updates, and by the way, thanks for doing that.

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Thank you CCPD057. I too wish Dave had plenty on hand, or that there was a deal struck with MOM, or that.... If there wasn't so much investment with so little return, I'm sure they'd be available. Honestly, HP is part of the problem. If he could raise his price $20 each, there'd be a profit worth the long payback. But how many would buy a $60-$65 dollar sight for a $150 gun? This makes it a tough market. I think MANY have HP pistols... how often do they shoot though and many that have them don't spend time on forums. They may not even know there have been quality sights avail. They just think their HP sucks because it never shoots to the same place after transporting or touching the plastic site in any way. We here on this forum and those on HPFF, are into this and well aware of this issue, but not all are. The problem is many faceted.

When I spoke with David the other night, I mentioned that he might hit MOM again as the big wheels had changed since his last try.

Wish I had a more definitive answer... only time will tell.

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Ex, Dave is a fortunate man to have a friend such as yourself. A rare commodity for sure. There aren't too many people that will jump out there to defend a friend's honor any more, so kudos to you.

Well, I guess that if it's meant to happen, then it will. (hopefully it will & one day David will be recognized for his efforts) I'd be one of the first in line with the $$ in my hand.

I'll be watching for your updates, and by the way, thanks for doing that.

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Attributed to Ex and he'll take credit for anything he can get!

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Attributed to Edmund Burke, though it's source cannot be proven.

"Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything"
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Sorry to see you go Dean. Never enough time and it makes
us all realize just what being mortal is. You have been a true friend to me
and I will miss you every day.



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from wasting the labors of the people under the pretence of taking care of
them."

Thomas Jefferson

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