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 Post subject: C9 ammo question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:45 am 
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At my local wally mart they have federal ammo 9mm gmj(guilded metal jacket). Has anyone shot this ammo? How did it perform? Looking for range ammo. :sniper2: is


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 Post subject: Re: C9 ammo question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:09 am 
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I wouldn't particularly think of 9mm as being long range... That said, many target shooters use hollow points as it puts the weight at the back of the bullet which imparts more stability from the spin to the flight. I don't really understand the science of why it works that way unless it's because the the acceleration is at the heel of the projectile... JHPs are the only thing I shoot but I roll my own so cost of one over the other is not a factor there.

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 Post subject: Re: C9 ammo question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:37 pm 
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Thanks for the info. I wasnt loking for long distance ammo, but cheap ammo for shooting at the indoor shooting range. I'm not really familiar with diff types of ammo especially hollow points.


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 Post subject: Re: C9 ammo question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:56 pm 
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Mich shooter wrote:
Thanks for the info. I wasn’t looking for long distance ammo, but cheap ammo for shooting at the indoor shooting range. I'm not really familiar with diff types of ammo especially hollow points.


In that case, just buy whatever is cheapest. That will almost always be JRN or RN (jacketed round nose or just round nose) ammo. The cheapest I've run across has been Winchester White box ammo. Now, there are several mentioned complaints about Winny White box ammo, most notably, that there can be a great difference in OAL (over all length), also known as
COAL (case over all length). Same difference. Used to be COAL... has colloquially been shortened to OAL for convenience and COL is more often used these days.

The problem with shorter ammo of the same brand/load/type, is IE, a 115 gn projectile is going to be the same length. So, if the full cartridge length is shorter, that means the projectile has been pushed into the case further. This has the potential to increase the case pressure to a DANGEROUS degree! HiPoint even at one time had a note on their page cautioning against the use of Winny White box ammo for this reason.

I have opened fresh boxes of Winny White box ammo and measured them. While I have seen some variation, I've never personally come across any that was so short as to cause me to be nervous using it, and it's always run just fine for me in my C9. These days, I load all my own ammo, so it's always consistent.

That said, just because I have never seen any that was dangerous... doesn't mean it hasn't been out there. That advisement they had, or perhaps still have (?) was there for a reason.

OAL on a case can also case feeding problems, though usually, feed problems are due to ammo being too long. Not always..

Hope this answers your questions. If not, post away! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: C9 ammo question
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Shoot whatever you can find cheap, the C9 isn't picky. I shot a lot of steel case and cheap Federal, Fiocchi, Blazer, whatever was cheapest. I reload now so...

The gilded ammo is basically plated bullets, cheaper to make in both jacketing as well as using a slightly lower powder load as they aren't meant to be pushed as fast as jacketed rounds. I reload mostly plated and keep them just over 1k FPS and never have a problem. One note is that plated is NOT for ported barrels according to the manufacturers.

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 Post subject: Re: C9 ammo question
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I'm gonna buy the gilded ammo (federal brand) and will let you know the results, ftf fte, etc. thanks.


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Federal has always been affordable, decent ammo. I don't expect you'll have any problems with it. Good price too from what I've seen, almost enough to make me want to pick some up as it's starting to get close to cheaper than reloading!

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 Post subject: Re: C9 ammo question
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I reload for my 45 JHP and have shot several thousand plated bullets.
Haven't had a problem so far...

I've had a few "self-induced" troubles... :D

But - The bullets have worked well for what I do, which is target shooting.

And like Mo said - shoot whatever's cheapest...
I think most of the cheaper ammo generally has FMJ bullet.

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Welcome to the forum. Thought I'd add my 2¢...At the range, I use Federal FMJ aluminum case almost exclusively. Here in Louisville, I pay $10.99/box at Wally World. The C9 and the SCCY II never hiccup with it.

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Find the cheapest brass case reloadable ammo that you can, and then save the brass for the day when ammo is not readily available then you can start reloading and keep shooting.

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I'm with the general consensus here, find the cheapest and shoot it. I have shot Wolf polyformance and all kinds of brass and aluminum case ammo through my c9 and others and have found little to no difference in how it all feeds or extracts. Blazer aluminum is a good choice if you don't care to pick up the cases. I have reservations about shooting non-familiar ammo myself and with the past ammo shortages there have been some really unusual name brands on the shelves. So like Mo and EX and Jason I roll my own now. The problem I have- no time to shoot. :cry:

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Walt hit the nail on the head. I picked up a box of Perfecta and it shot pretty well and the brass was decent. I roll my own and cast my own bullets, I have plenty of 9mm brass but I'll try some factory once in a while.


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Walt hit the nail on the head. I picked up a box of Perfecta and it shot pretty well and the brass was decent. I roll my own and cast my own bullets, I have plenty of 9mm brass but I'll try some factory once in a while.


I don't think I could live with peeling lead out of my barrel after every shoot.

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Randy wrote:
I don't think I could live with peeling lead out of my barrel after every shoot.

Only way that happens is if your bullets aren't sized or lubed properly. I shoot self-cast bullets exclusively, including SD rounds, and have very little lead, even after several hundred rounds. Several excellent suppliers out there, if you don't cast. Or, try Berry Bullets if you're really dead set against lead.

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Histed is right Randy, if you have leading something is not right.. there are many different methods these days, from bullet coatings to spray powder that reduce or eliminate leading on most pistol applications.

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