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 Post subject: first round failure to feed
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:55 pm 
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Had something new at the range yesterday - the topmost round nose dived into the bottom of the feed ramp, when I went to chamber the first round. I carefully loaded the mag, and tried several times, with no luck. I finally loaded 5 rounds and it worked fine. Tried loading 8 again and the same jam occured. Loaded 7 rounds and that worked fine. I then ran thru four mags of 8 rounds each, and the final mag of 6 rounds - all good, with no stoppages in all 50 rounds of Wolf WPA 115 grain fmj. Prior to this, my C9 had 584 rounds fired for 8 double-feed, 3 fail-to-feed and 1 stovepipe minor stoppages. I've done nothing to the gun, besides spray cleaning with Rem-Oil Oil after each shooting session. In total, I've shot 150 rounds Wolf WPA steel case fmj; 150 rounds Magtech brass case fmj; 150 rounds Winchester 'white box' fmj and 200 rounds Freedom Munitions brass case remanufactured, which included 50 rounds new brass case Hornady XTP jhp.
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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:57 pm 
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Have you tried tapping the back of the mag on your hand to settle the rounds into place?

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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
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I always do that, plus this time I lightly rapped it on the bench edge..


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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
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I'm wondering if the mag was stiff, ( feed lips?..), prior to yesterday, I hadn't shot my C9 since February 2015.. ( been shooting my Mosin rifle, lol )


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im not being an a-hole. but did you clean the mag recently? and accidently put the spring in 180° out?

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And if you've sprayed Rem oil into the mags eavery time you may now be getting a bit of rem wax in there. Rem oil in the spray can does build up and get sticky...?

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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
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Well, I think I'll just chalk it up to a one time fluke. The gun has been reliable enough to this point. I love the warranty and price, the sights are good, it's comfortable in my hands and the recoil is soft, for a 9mm. I had no stoppages on Monday, all thru a box of 50 rounds, once I got the topmost round to chamber. That was the longest I had gone between shooting sessions, ( 10 months ).I have decided now, to only load 6 rounds of my Hornady XTP jhp, for bedside home defense. I've never had any problems when loading the mag with 7 or fewer rounds. Oh well, happy shooting everyone!


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fully load the mags and leave them loaded between shooting sessions... may help to break in the mag springs which may be the problem.

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Check the measurements on the mag ears.

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I only have the one original mag, and I do keep it loaded at home. The only difference this time, was emptying the mag of jhp rounds at home. I took the gun and empty mag to the range that day. Like I said, it fired and cycled all 50 rounds, with no stoppages. The problem was chambering the topmost round for those first couple mags. ( only when loaded with 8 rounds..). Unless my gun is still being broken-in, I'll just accept an occasional minor problem.


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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
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The next logical question is how did you chamber those "top rounds"?

Did you slingshot the slide or drop the slide using the slide lock latch?

Some makers recommend one over the other and some pistols prefer one style over the other.

The other thing might be that the pressure of a full mag is pushing the mag down against the mag latch. That part is plastic and subject to flex. Sometimes just a smidgen will make a difference. When you remove all but 5 rounds it might release the pressure and allow the latch to go back to where it belongs push the mag up a few thousandths and resume proper feeding.


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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
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According to range rules, I have the action locked open, before firing the first shot. I always 'slingshot' to rack the slide. What confounds me, is that this is the first time I've seen this malfunction. Plus, like I said, I fired four mags in a row loaded with 8 rounds - and no problems. 5 rounds, 7 rounds, 8x8x8x8 and last mag of 6 rounds..?


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waltham41 wrote:
fully load the mags and leave them loaded between shooting sessions... may help to break in the mag springs which may be the problem.

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Load them FULL and let them set. Use 400/800 grit wet/dry paper to smooth out any sharp edges under the mag lips.

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I would not fool with it or do another thing to it!

Send it back to Hipoint.

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 Post subject: Re: first round failure to feed
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Check the measurement of the feed lips. They should be between .335 and .340. may check the middle too. The mag may be tight there. I know some hallow points I have to open the front feed lips and the middle to about .340 to make the hallows pop up quicker.

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