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Author:  CCPD057 [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

After trying several ways to try to contact David Mahan with no results/replies, I'm wondering if anyone knows if he's either contemplating resuming production, or passing on the operation to someone else.
At a minimum, the Mahan Sights Website http://mahansights.com/ should indicate what the future plans (if any) are, or put a statement on there to tell people that visit the website (like me) that these sights will no longer be in production, then take the site down.

Author:  George Taylor [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

By leaving the website up, he could track hits/activity to get a feel for how many potential sales are available. When it reaches a level where the investment in machinery and tooling goes beyond break even, he'll probably spend the capital. Small parts don't require a pallet size CNC machine, but even small CNC centers are pretty pricey. My 2 axis DRO alone cost more than the profit you could glean from the sale on 20 sights. How many sights would he have to sell before he saw the first dollar? Back when digital height gauges were a $150 I made a stand that converted a Harbor freight digital caliper into a height gauge. By the time I got it figured out, Enco had height gauges for $49. After I paid for materials and tooling I couldn't compete and pay myself. If making the part is time consuming, he may never get past beta testing it.

Author:  jasonsch [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

I know Mr. Mahan is a machinist himself and I believe works for a company that is a good sized machine shop...
But - if it's anything like where I work (which is also a machine shop) the company is fine with it if I want to make something for myself.
Like an AR barrel nut wrench or a spiffy wrench for a Lee Load-Master... (-:

But, if I want to make parts to sell, I have to give them a drawing and the folks in the office determine the price for each.
They have to figure time, material, quantity, etc.

So (and this is a lot of speculation here!!) I'll bet Mr. Mahan is looking into purchasing some of his own machines to make his sights...
OR
He's asking around and checking with some other machine shops as to what it would cost to have them make the sight for him.

That being speculated...

The price of any new CNC machine is - well - astronomical!!
He might be looking at some used machines - and that is a little risky as most CNC machines have had the dog-shit used out of them.
Why? because the price of any new CNC machine is - well - astronomical!! (-:
And usually used hard because they have to be paid for.

And to farm the work to another machine shop...
Our machine shop is a production shop where we make parts for the machines we build and sell and are plenty busy with that.
If someone want's something special made - It's $200 an hour!! :shock:
If folks don't like it - go somewhere else.
We have one full time guy and that's all he does - special tooling to be used for the machines we make.

So, it's probably gonna be expensive for Mr. Mahan to farm the work out.
Plus - The parts might not be made to the high and exacting standards Mr. Mahan is known for.

Last, but no least, Mr. Mahan might just enjoy not having to worry about any of that shit anymore...
Sure - I'll bet the extra money was nice - but so is a little peace and quiet!!

And I say that from the perspective of being employed full time and having a little side business of my own.
Sometimes I get bothered a lot at my "Real Job" with my side business...
And sometimes I get bothered a lot in the evenings and on my days off with my side business!!
Most of the time I'm fine with it - because it was to be expected.
But sometimes it'd be nice to not have to worry about it.

Punch out at my "Real Job" and I'm done!! Go home and do something fun that you want to do - or just not do anything.

So basically it's more or less what George Taylor just said above!!

So, I hope it's one of the above and not something worse... :(

Thus ends my speculation on the future of the Mahan sight...

I don't know what's going on either!! :dunno:

Author:  George Taylor [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

Jason, eloquently stated. Some of the small CNC machines for hobby use are only a fraction what a Hass costs. Then there's the work. Making one part for personal use might be fun but go back to work after working all day? You would have to be very young or very hungry. I think I'd rather be sitting on Huskers porch with an ice tea. Even cutting my lawn can be enjoyable but cutting my neighbors lawn for a few bucks after I'm done with work...I don't think so.

Author:  Cornhusker [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

George Taylor wrote:
Jason, eloquently stated. Some of the small CNC machines for hobby use are only a fraction what a Hass costs. Then there's the work. Making one part for personal use might be fun but go back to work after working all day? You would have to be very young or very hungry. I think I'd rather be sitting on Huskers porch with an ice tea. Even cutting my lawn can be enjoyable but cutting my neighbors lawn for a few bucks after I'm done with work...I don't think so.

I actually enjoy mowing too
I have 2 riding mowers, and I use my earbuds and my phone and buy the beer with the screw on lids to keep bugs and crud out, and go mow for 3 or 4 hours :great:
I can hardly wait for summer to enjoy the new porch :mrgreen:

Author:  CCPD057 [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

jasonsch wrote:
I know Mr. Mahan is a machinist himself and I believe works for a company that is a good sized machine shop...
But - if it's anything like where I work (which is also a machine shop) the company is fine with it if I want to make something for myself.
Like an AR barrel nut wrench or a spiffy wrench for a Lee Load-Master... (-:

But, if I want to make parts to sell, I have to give them a drawing and the folks in the office determine the price for each.
They have to figure time, material, quantity, etc.

So (and this is a lot of speculation here!!) I'll bet Mr. Mahan is looking into purchasing some of his own machines to make his sights...
OR
He's asking around and checking with some other machine shops as to what it would cost to have them make the sight for him.

That being speculated...

The price of any new CNC machine is - well - astronomical!!
He might be looking at some used machines - and that is a little risky as most CNC machines have had the dog-shit used out of them.
Why? because the price of any new CNC machine is - well - astronomical!! (-:
And usually used hard because they have to be paid for.

And to farm the work to another machine shop...
Our machine shop is a production shop where we make parts for the machines we build and sell and are plenty busy with that.
If someone want's something special made - It's $200 an hour!! :shock:
If folks don't like it - go somewhere else.
We have one full time guy and that's all he does - special tooling to be used for the machines we make.

So, it's probably gonna be expensive for Mr. Mahan to farm the work out.
Plus - The parts might not be made to the high and exacting standards Mr. Mahan is known for.

Last, but no least, Mr. Mahan might just enjoy not having to worry about any of that shit anymore...
Sure - I'll bet the extra money was nice - but so is a little peace and quiet!!

And I say that from the perspective of being employed full time and having a little side business of my own.
Sometimes I get bothered a lot at my "Real Job" with my side business...
And sometimes I get bothered a lot in the evenings and on my days off with my side business!!
Most of the time I'm fine with it - because it was to be expected.
But sometimes it'd be nice to not have to worry about it.

Punch out at my "Real Job" and I'm done!! Go home and do something fun that you want to do - or just not do anything.

So basically it's more or less what George Taylor just said above!!

So, I hope it's one of the above and not something worse... :(

Thus ends my speculation on the future of the Mahan sight...

I don't know what's going on either!! :dunno:


All of you have given excellent responses, and I fully understand the costs and time that are invested in a venture like this. God bless David for what he has applied his talents to, especially on a product that we all as HP users know that there is a market for.
But my main point is, let us know your intent. In all fairness, put something on the Website that indicates what direction this venture is headed.
I'm sure that many HP owners would love to see this well designed and produced rear sight hit the market again.
I'm thinking that perhaps he can find an investor or a manufacturer/machine shop that would produce these for a percentage of the profits. This of course would no doubt lead to a price increase. If it comes down to my first shot at an imposing threat going bad because the plastic sights on my C9 had been jarred, I'd gladly spend the money to have that little peace of mind.
"Front sight press, front sight press" :nice:

Author:  srtolly [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:28 pm ]
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I'm one of those that goes to work after work and at 52 years old it kinda sucks. Sometimes I take on some projects that are better left alone.

I've told folks I can't do a project and they get pissy, I tell them I'll do it and it'll take a month and cost $200 for the cross draw western holster they want. Then they say "I can get a holster on fleabay $25".

I just tell the to send $25 for wasting my time and go buy the fleabay crap.

I haven't had anyone pay for wasting my time yet.

I don't know where I was going with this so...

Peach Cobbler

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Author:  Randy [ Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

This is the latest on the Mahan sights I think...

http://www.hipointtalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17480&view=unread#unread

Need to wait for EX, he can get to the bottom of what's going on.

Author:  jasonsch [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

Randy wrote:
This is the latest on the Mahan sights I think...

http://www.hipointtalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17480&view=unread#unread

Need to wait for EX, he can get to the bottom of what's going on.

Right on Randy!! Ex might know something.

Maybe Mr. Mahan should put up a "progress page" on his website and let the masses know how it's going.

I'm just glad I got mine!! (-:

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

Still a programming issue. The machine he has lined up and access to uses an oddball language. I know David has spent countless hours trying to rework the code, talked to the factory for hours, spent time with a guy that supposedly
knows this machine... well. I have not had an update in a while and I hope it hasn't gotten to the point that it's become just too much of a pain. I know he never really made any money on sights and that he'd have to tie up a couple grand at a time to sub out some of the work, then wait 10 months to get his money back and not have profit. It was a labor of love, but took cash out of his pockets for too long. Hence, the new machine venture... which has become an utter pain in the a$$.

So at this point, I'm not sure where it sits but I'll try to find out soon. In fact i know he's off work today so I'll call him.

Author:  CCPD057 [ Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Mahan ever make his sights again?

Thanks EX!

Please keep us posted.....

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