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 Post subject: CF380 problem
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:44 pm 
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Hello, I'm new to the forum. I recently purchased both a c9 and a cf380. I took both to the range and fired 50 rounds through each. I brought them home and did a basic cleaning with gun scrubber and a bore snake with some hoppes #9. Since then the cf380 refuses to go into battery when chambering a round without being tapped. This happens every time I try and chamber a round. It seemed to fire fine at the range. I did lubricate it after cleaning. I have the magazine loaded up with Remington umc fmj, same ammo I used at the range. I haven't tried to fire it again. Just tried to chamber a round to make sure all was well. The c9 chambers fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for any help.


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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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First off, :welcome: to our little forum.
When you say it fails to go into battery, I assume it happens when you insert a new mag and try to rack one in?
Make sure you aren't riding the slide, just pull it back and let go, let the spring do the work.
Aside from that, I'd have to hear more.
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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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Thank you for the welcome. I'm not riding the slide. Just pulling back and letting go. Yes you are correct that it happens after inserting a loaded magazine and trying to load the first round into the chamber. It is the same magazine that I used at the range. I was thinking maybe I didn't lube the slide enough? It was fine before firing and then cleaning /lubing.


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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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Make sure you tap the back of the mag on your hand or leg after you load it to settle the rounds into place. It's possible the first round isn't angled just right?
A little lube goes a long way

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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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Okay, thank you. I used the approximately same amount of lube on both the c9 and cf380. I didn't use a ton, just a light coating. The c9 works fine so I thought it might be okay. I did tap the back of the magazine before loading it into the pistol. The round loads, just not all the way into the chamber. I looked into the feed ramp area with a flashlight and don't see anything that should be causing the problem. I might swap magazines between the c9 and cf380 to see if it is mag related, even though the gun worked with this mag at the range. Other than this one issue I am very happy to be a new Hi Point owner.


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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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First, welcome to a non-pretentious knowledge base for everything Hi Point. Someone with far more information than myself will be along shortly. First, try a different brand of ammo until the gun is broke in. Sometimes casings .001 of an inch can hang up on the tight tolerances of a new gun. I own 2 CF380s and they eat anything. I have a buddy who doesn't have 100 rnds through his yet, and it's a little glitchy. Find ammo it likes, put a couple hundred rounds through it. My wife is so accurate with hers, she no longer practices with her other guns. Mine is my bathroom gun. If the dog is barking and I'm in the shower, I'd bet my life on it. Whatever the problem is, once it's broke in, they're wicked good firearms.

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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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Thank you, I will definitely give that a try. It seemed to like the Remington umc, at least the 50 rounds I fired. Maybe not enough for a good test. I do realize I haven't fired enough for it to be broken in yet. It just kind of freaked me out as it went into battery fine at the range. I'll try a different brand of ammo and some time to see if it fixes the problem. It may well be I'm just over reacting and it will resolve itself with more rounds down it.


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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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Does it happen only on the first round or two of the magazine? Try just putting 3 rounds in the mag and see if it works that way. I've had HP mags that came with the spring so tight, it put too much friction on the
mag lips that retain the cartridge. For me the solution that worked was to leave the mags FULL for a couple weeks and to use a light sandpaper on the underside of the mag lips. This revealed itself when examining
brass that was shot from it. There were little cuts in the rim of the brass from "burrs" left during the stamping process when they stamp the sheet metal that the mags are made from. So my issue was two-fold. softening the spring
a touch and de-burring the underside of the feed lips.

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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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Thanks for the tips. I did leave the mags loaded up for a couple weeks before going to the range. I did some homework on these guns before purchasing, much of it from reading posts on this site. However I did not smooth out the inside of the feed lips. Definitely going to give that a try.


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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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On mine, both the above fixes were needed. It's been 100% since then.
Keep us posted!

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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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I will, and thanks to everyone for both the advice and the great welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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:welcome: it pushes the round out of the mag but not completely into the chamber?
First some more simple questions since we weren't there to see how how you cleaned it...not inferring anything...

Did you remove the slide from the frame?
If not, try doing that. Then remove the springs, clean the toughs and channels they ride in VERY thoroughly with a .22 cal brass brush chucked up in a drill motor (cordless or corded) on low speed or even in a flex shaft dremel type tool. This will do at least two things...it will remove the excessive amounts of machining chips the manufacturing process left in there and it will also smooth some of those machining marks out enough to lessen the spring noise. Visually inspect all the sliding surfaces for casting burrs that might have moved and gotten in the way preventing the slide from moving that last 1/8" or whatever.

While it is apart now is a great time to learn how the gun and it's few parts interact with one another. It's not a lockup type pistol so it isn't really complicated science, it's the slides mass against spring pressure. Even a small stray metal chip can disrupt the balance here. The rails on the sides of the frame need to be smooth also, plus the corresponding slots in the slide.

Your pistolas can be as quiet as mice on snow :whistle: ;) while racking the slide with a little bit of elbow grease. I don't use any lube other than a slight bit of silicone on a rag inside my c9. I will try and figure out how to hold my cell phone and rack the slide in a vid one of these days to prove my point. Until then you'll just have to take a leap of faith.

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 Post subject: Re: CF380 problem
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OOKAY, after wasting about a billion gig of my otherwise limited bandwidth I finally got this video (which is pointless really) uploaded to PB. Just to highlight how a c9 (my c9) can sound compared to factory new. It may or may not be as silent as other c9's, YMMV.

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One of my 995s would hang up when going into battery when it was new. I was always taught not to use alot of lube, but a buddy said "put some lube on this thing. It's bone dry". After adding some more oil it worked fine. My Sccy had the same issue. When I got it back from a factory repair it was what I consider swimming in oil. I guess I was so worried about over lubing my guns, I wasn't using enough.

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