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Author:  jasonsch [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:55 am ]
Post subject:  "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

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The above is a HI-Point JHP 45 - and it's NOT my JHP!!
The young fellow that was shooting it when this happened was not injured.

I have to admit - My 1st pistol was a JHP that I still own...
And seeing this one blown up like that it made me wonder about Hi-Points!!

But it was just the opposite - This Hi-Point may have saved a young persons life.

So What Happened??

It WAS NOT the gun - And it was fairly new when this happened.

The man that owns it says it was a bullet.
A freak "one-in-a-million" thing.
It's a "Name Brand" hollow-point bullet that he reloaded with a single stage press, and he been reloading for 30+ years.
It's the "H" brand that I load up and shoot all the time in my rifles!!

Another picture:

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See That?? Looks like the outside jacket is still in the barrel from that bullet...
But the lead core continued out the barrel and they saw it impact the dirt near the target.

The next trigger pull resulted in the gun blowing up.

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If you look down in the barrel, you can see the bullet from the next round is still in there behind the copper jacket of the previous bullet.
The guy that owns this JHP believes that's what caused the "Catastrophic Failure" of this gun.

The guy that owns it thinks this is what happened:

Bullet 1 left it's copper jacket behind in the barrel but the lead part exited and it was seen where it impacted the dirt.
Bullet 2 couldn't go through the barrel and got stuck because of the copper jacket that was left behind.
The result is shown in the pictures.

He also says if it was a FMJ or one of those too expensive copper plated bullets - It would not have happened.
He said he'll never reload hollow-points again.

The guy said when you pull the trigger, it fires and you see the bullet impact, you don't think the barrel will be plugged for the next round!!
Which is 100% understandable - I'm sure we all would have thought the same thing.

The guy said this, "Thank God it was a Hi-Point!! They're made heavy enough to be safer when this kind of thing happens."
And I think that he is right about that.

Was his faith shaken with Hi-Points after this happened??
No.
He had me order three CF380's for his threes sons for Christmas.

"I'm trying to give them all Hi-Point pistols - one in each caliber."

So - I figure I'll ask you "KeyBoard Commando's" for you thoughts about this.
Do you think he right about why this gun exploded??
Would a hollow point bullet leave it's jacket behind in the barrel like that??

Author:  Cornhusker [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

Pretty freaky thing to happen, but I'd blame the ammo too.
Has he contacted the ammo maker?
I'm surprised he still has any fingers :shock:

Author:  Tincup [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

I have seen this before and I am of another opinion as to the results.

The separation of a core from the jacket usually occurs when the velocity is below the recommended loading.

This bullet was short changed on the powder charge and the jacket and core separated.

As for the "blow up", well that should not have happened and probably would not have in a locked breech pistol where the bullet exits the barrel before the action unlocks. A good strong design should allow the second bullet to push the first out without incident, or no more than a bulged barrel. That jacket offers almost no resistance to a follow up slug.

Author:  Randy [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

Tincup wrote:
I have seen this before and I am of another opinion as to the results.

The separation of a core from the jacket usually occurs when the velocity is below the recommended loading.

This bullet was short changed on the powder charge and the jacket and core separated.

As for the "blow up", well that should not have happened and probably would not have in a locked breech pistol where the bullet exits the barrel before the action unlocks. A good strong design should allow the second bullet to push the first out without incident, or no more than a bulged barrel. That jacket offers almost no resistance to a follow up slug.


This is my hypothesis also, although I have never seen this happen. The jacket is so thin it would not impede the following shot very much, certainly not to the point of stopping it in it's tracks. I mean it's only a few thousandths of an inch thick. :dunno:

Send the gun back to mom, they'll put a new trigger in it and it'll be good as new... :whistle:

Author:  jasonsch [ Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

I've never heard of a low velocity causing a bullet to come apart... To high a velocity yes - but in flight usually!!
But I'm not any kind of an expert on this

You can see where the next bullet poked out the ass of the left-behind copper jacket.

But it makes me wonder - If it was weak reloads...
What if one complete bullet was stuck in the barrel,
Then the next hit it and possibly forced the lead core out of the 1st.
And maybe there's another bullet in behind the on we can see??

Just a thought - And he said he was going to send it in.
I bet they send him a whole new gun... (-:

Author:  George Taylor [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

I'm thinking one in a million. I bought a JHP last week but haven't shot it yet. I now own a Hi Point handgun in every caliber offered. I recommend Hi Point to every new shooter because I believe in their stout construction. I've watched plenty of videos where idiots do crazy stuff to the guns in an attempt to ruin them, and they just keep working. They might be as close as fool proof as a handgun can get. Nearly all of my family members own one. I own a wide variety of brands, but my Hi Points are still my favorite. Sometimes, after hundreds of rounds they need a good cleaning. That's it.

Author:  Ex_ISP [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "He was lucky it was a Hi-Point!!" he said...

jasonsch wrote:
I've never heard of a low velocity causing a bullet to come apart... To high a velocity yes - but in flight usually!!
But I'm not any kind of an expert on this

You can see where the next bullet poked out the ass of the left-behind copper jacket.

But it makes me wonder - If it was weak reloads...
What if one complete bullet was stuck in the barrel,
Then the next hit it and possibly forced the lead core out of the 1st.
And maybe there's another bullet in behind the on we can see??


Just a thought - And he said he was going to send it in.
I bet they send him a whole new gun... (-:



This would be my guess.

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