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Which Rifle to use in Shooting Competition
AR-15 w/24" Barrel and Timney Trigger 100%  100%  [ 1 ]
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 Post subject: Shooting Competition!!!
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:17 pm 
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Hey there fellers - I'm kinda on the fence about something...

My local gun club is having a "Shooting Competition" next weekend (Sunday) over our
big and excitement filled "Scottie Philip Days" celebration out town has every year.

Scottie Philip is the man who saved the buffalo and that why my hometown is called "Philip"... And Only ONE "L" damn it!!

I ain't making' this up this "Saved the Buffalo" stuff,
They would very likely be extinct if not for Scottie Philip:
https://www.amazon.com/Scotty-Philip-ma ... kgo-osx-20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_%22Scotty%22_Philip

http://www.philipsouthdakota.com

That last one is our town website....
"Philip, South Dakota - Where the Sun Kisses You Ass"...

So, when you have that next Buffalo Burger or Buffalo Steak,
you'll have to remember Scottie Philip.

I had a neighbor that worked for a ranch that raised Buffalo.
And part of his payment was meat... Buffalo Meat!!

He couldn't eat it all and gave us a bunch.
And It's really good - I like it better than beef!!
It sure is a lot leaner and just tastes better to me. :great:

All Right - enough of the Buffalo Stuff!!


This Shooting Competition is going to consist of:

1. ONE round of Trap Shooting - which is 25 shots - worth one point each.

I have a Black, Synthetic Stock semi-auto Charles Daly
12 gauge shotgun I need to go shoot and get familiar with.
I haven't shot it yet!! Gotta be better than my single shot...

2. 25 Pistol Targets and a 2 minute time limit to hit all targets

And for that - we have my beloved 45 ACP Hi-Point JHP Pistol!!
Man, I'd love to beat the hell out of everyone with my Hi-Point!!

3. "KYL target at 300 yards from bench - aim to hit all 5 plates of KYL target in consecutive order -
max of 10 shots - 5 minute time limit - 5 points per plate hit - 25 point max -
plates must be hit consecutively to add up (No rifle sleds or vices - 3200 fps velocity limit - nothing larger than 30 cal.)"

Now I think a KYL Target means "Know Your Limits" and the targets get smaller in size.

My conundrum is two-fold...

First - The thing is next weekend!!
I thought it was TWO weeks from now - WRONG
Should I even bother with it??
It's a $50 entry fee with $40 going for prize money.

And I need to load ammo (pistol & rifle) AND get stuff sighted in.
I should get my Hi-Point on a rest and make super-sure where it's hitting.
Wish I had a David Mahan t-shirt to wear during the shoot... :great:

Second - Which Rifle??
I have an AR-15 with a 24" Target barrel and a Timney trigger and a 24 power NC Star Scope
I have a Remington 788 with a stock, but pretty nice trigger and a 24 power Simmons Scope - an old silhouette Scope, I believe.

So - which rifle - which bullet - which load should I use??

I'm leaning toward the 308...
I have a new box of 155gr Hornady A-Max bullets.
And an old, but unopened box of Sierra 168gr HPBT MatchKing bullets.
The Sierra Bullets have a $16 price tag - they're about double that now!!

Anyway - I've shot the MatchKings many times, and my 308 likes them.
Ain't never shot no A-Max bullets before... Ever!!
So - maybe I should load up about 10 of each and see it one is better than the other...
And still have to sight it in for 300 yards.

The AR-15 would probably be OK too...
I have a 1,000 Hornady 55gr Spire Points I got from Manmouth Reloading.
And, I have a Box of 75gr Hornady A-Max bullets.

I've never shot either out of my AR...
Those 75 Grain bullets would probably be a "one-at a- time" thing,
Unless I can come up with a load where they'll fit and feed from the mag.
The 75gr bullets would also buck the wind better.

And the same thing with the 308...
Should load some of both and see which work
and then have to sight my AR in for 300 yards....

So - I don't know - Part of me wants to just say screw it... I waited too long to get prepared and not spend $50 as well.

Then theres the other part that wants to give this a try!!

I need to just decide on which rifle and which bullet - and just use that one only.
Load up 50 rounds of ammo and get the bitch zeroed at 300 yards.
It'd be quicker for sure!!

And the double check the pistol off a rest.

I should be able to get that done in a week, shouldn't I??

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Whichever rifle shoots best for you is the one you'll want to use
Sounds like a lot of fun

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25 pistol targets means two magazine changes in the Hi-Point.

If you don't have a load that you've already shot out to 300 yards, use whatever load you've shot farthest out and adjust for bullet drop. A week is no time to get a good 300-yard load worked up unless that's ALL you plan on doing in that week...

Personally for 300 yards I'd go with the .308 just in case of any crosswind it will perform better than the .223 even with a heavier bullet.

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I have no clue on which rifle. I have read that the .308 round is a good one, used to use it back in the day as a sniper round I guess. If the .308 is a heavier rifle I personally would use it instead of a lighter rifle. You can sandbag right? Or tripod, stick, etc.? Heavier is better. Beyond that ...no clue. However, the .223 has a good rep for distance shooting too. Pretty sure the more accurate ones are not off the shelf rifles though. :dunno: Whatever you decide, good luck with it!

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Agree with both above. The .308 is a known good round, accurate to a great distance. On the other hand if you shoot the AR better...

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You seem to own some nice hardware that you know nothing about!

A shotgun you have never fired and a HP you are not sure of? You need to get out more!

And a 24" barreled AR w/timney trigger but your main pistol is a HP? Your trigger cost as much as the HP! The barrel probably did too.

As for advice on which rifle??? If I were handed a box stock or slightly tweaked AR, such as you have, I would go with that rifle and government issue ammo (good grade surplus).

I say this because I shoot CMP and they, on occasion, issue ammo and have that option if they think someone is gaining an advantage with certain ammo. The rules hold the equipment to near stock in that venue. Target barrels of standard profile are allowed but no target triggers, just a stock trigger polished to 4 1/2 pounds and a 4x scope, and we shoot at 600M.

That means that most any rack grade AR rifle with service ammo has the capability of hitting the bullseye on the CMP target, or about 6 moa, at 300 yards.

Every AR I have built would shoot surplus into 1 1/2" @100 so I would suppose they would be good for 5"-6" groups at 300.

I have .308 rifles that will shoot much better than that, but I already have them tuned and their loads worked up and I am not trying to make them work on the fly.


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After having shot many thousands of rounds of military issued ammo, I would certainly go with my reloads over it any day.

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Tincup wrote:
You seem to own some nice hardware that you know nothing about!

A shotgun you have never fired and a HP you are not sure of? You need to get out more!

And a 24" barreled AR w/timney trigger but your main pistol is a HP? Your trigger cost as much as the HP! The barrel probably did too.

As for advice on which rifle??? If I were handed a box stock or slightly tweaked AR, such as you have, I would go with that rifle and government issue ammo (good grade surplus).

I say this because I shoot CMP and they, on occasion, issue ammo and have that option if they think someone is gaining an advantage with certain ammo. The rules hold the equipment to near stock in that venue. Target barrels of standard profile are allowed but no target triggers, just a stock trigger polished to 4 1/2 pounds and a 4x scope, and we shoot at 600M.

That means that most any rack grade AR rifle with service ammo has the capability of hitting the bullseye on the CMP target, or about 6 moa, at 300 yards.

Every AR I have built would shoot surplus into 1 1/2" @100 so I would suppose they would be good for 5"-6" groups at 300.

I have .308 rifles that will shoot much better than that, but I already have them tuned and their loads worked up and I am not trying to make them work on the fly.

I guess I can't argue with you too much there Tincup!!

I've never been much of a shotgun person - never even owned one until a couple years ago.
We had a person donate a bunch of money to set up a trap-shooting course at out range.
So I bought a shotgun - A Taurus single-shot. It was like $130 - the cheapest one I could find!!
And boy - does it suck for shooting trap!!

This Charles Daly was a recent kind of a trade/acquisition and my intent was to either sell it - or keep it to shoot trap with.
Well - I haven't gone out to shoot trap yet this year...

My 308 I've had since the mid-90's. I used to shoot it a lot more than I do now.
It's a 788 Remington and they are known to be pretty accurate for a cheap gun.
Many say Remington quit making them because it cut into the sales of the Model 700 too much!!
And it never was picky at all about which bullet it'd shoot or what load...
Generally, it liked a 150gr bullet better than a 110gr bullet.

And my AR - well, I used to shoot those Hornady 52gr BTHP Match bullets.
I saw these spire points - and they're much cheaper!!
I bought some - but haven't got any reloaded yet...
The 75gr bullets were pretty much an experiment I wanted to try.
To see if a heavy bullet would even work with an AR.

And my Hi-Point pistol - well, I've put 8,000 or so rounds through that thing!!
And I put some aftermarket adjustable sights on it.
It's just been thousands of rounds ago since I sighted it in.
I'm sure, since it's got some more wear on it - It wouldn't hurt to double check it!!

So - I'm leaning towards just showing up and maybe help keep score for everyone else.
And that's because of some other extenuating circumstances... )-:

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