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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:08 pm 
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Hi everyone,

At the risk of asking a really weird question (but let me explain) I'm working on my first novel (some of it actually happened, 99.9% of it never did - or so goes my disclaimer), but part of the reality was a homicide I knew of. I was on the very outskirts of the case, and didn't have access to the notes. There, a person was shot in the chest (direct heart wound) with a handgun, they were dead before they hit the ground, and the bullet did not penetrate. I want something similar to happen, but I'm not sure about calibers that would do this.

So questions, would a 45 ACP with a hollow point bullet do this, or a 38 with a hollow point? I'm fairly certain a .357 or 9mm would got right through. I've searched the internet, and can't find any info on that. Anyone have any info or direct experience that might direct me?

Sorry for posting something with a definite "yuck" to it, but I need to make sure I get that part right


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 Post subject: Re: Novel research
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9mm in an expanding point should not penetrate all the way through, nor should the others with exception of the .357 mag. What is proposed range fro barrel to chest? Within 20 ft? For nostalgia, I'd go with a NON +P .45.
.45 becomes big enough that unless it's ball ammo or a HOT +P, I'd be surprised to see it penetrate. .38 would not go through nor would a .38 special. In fact, that's the round I might write about as it was the mainstay of LEOs for a long time.

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My .38 SPL loads run about 870 FPS. A lead bullet wouldn't pass through, especially if it hit bone upon entry. Depending on the era that you are setting the book in, I'd go with the .38SPl as it was used by many law enforcement as Ex mentioned and is still in wide use by shooters today.

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The era would be about late 1992. My central character (who of course is based a lot on me), has just gotten out of the Gulf War, and is working as the only detective at a small Sheriff's Office. I've seen a lot of shooting in my time, but this is probably the one that blows my mind the most. I was used to seeing a penetrating wound with blood under the body. Since there wasn't an exit wound, that didn't happen here. Also, there was only a trickle of blood from a wound in the area of the heart. Since there wasn't a lot of blood, and no indication of movement on the part of the victim (autopsy alter confirmed that the heart had been broken apart and stopped instantly by the round - meaning she was dead when she hit the ground). Just the lack of blood made it one of the oddest crime scenes I ever saw.

In response to the question from Ex_ISP, the shooting happened indoors, at a range of no more than 10 feet (that would have put the shooter on the other side of the wall, which he wasn't), but not much closer. There was no powder burns or such one would expect to see if it were very much closer. The working theory based on position of the body and etc was that shooter shot her from the door as he entered.

Unfortunately we never did catch the guy. He was a local hunting guide, knew the mountains very well, and had vanished into them before we even arrived on scene. A camp that we believe belonged to him (his drivers licenses and wallet were found at the location) was found years later. It's generally believed that he went off into the surrounding forest and died there, but of course there's no evidence to prove that. My personal opinion is that the camp site was a little too staged and he's might still be out there.

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With these details.I'd make it .38. .45 = bigger hole/more blood. .38 for sure.

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Outstanding. 38 it is.


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The Glaser Safety slug has been around since 1975 and is available for the .38SPL as well. It would certainly fill that bill.

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Will check that out and see if it fits the character in the novel. Thanks.


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